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@Rain19910610 said:
however Bronze age rule with random civils and free units is really good

What’s good about random civ rule? That makes sense only if people constantly keep changing civs to counter-civs and can’t agree on what civs they gonna play.

@SheepishSum8288 said:
Vietnamese bans tower and wall, so spamming archer chariot is the best tactic.

Not at all, camel rider, calvary, hoplite, priest, catapult… all are useful, depending on your civil, your teamates’ civil, your enemies’ civil and tactics. ie: How do you train Chariot Archers with Persians or Macedonians? But Persians Camel riders and Macedonians hoplites are really strong and they are still good civils without Chariot Archers. Chariot Archer is a great choice only for Assyrians, Hittile and Egyptians.

@JosephC64 said:

@Rain19910610 said:
however Bronze age rule with random civils and free units is really good

What’s good about random civ rule? That makes sense only if people constantly keep changing civs to counter-civs and can’t agree on what civs they gonna play.

@SheepishSum8288 said:
Well, their rules are sucks, but they enjoy that.

Well, so do you have any recommendation for the next tournament rather than the previous one as i felt bored about it too. What is the best rule/setting for multiplayers battle?

@Rain19910610 said:

@SheepishSum8288 said:
Vietnamese bans tower and wall, so spamming archer chariot is the best tactic.

Not at all, camel rider, calvary, hoplite, priest, catapult… all are useful, depending on your civil, your teamates’ civil, your enemies’ civil and tactics. ie: How do you train Chariot Archers with Persians or Macedonians? But Persians Camel riders and Macedonians hoplites are really strong and they are still good civils without Chariot Archers. Chariot Archer is a great choice only for Assyrians, Hittile and Egyptians.

@JosephC64 said:

@Rain19910610 said:
however Bronze age rule with random civils and free units is really good

What’s good about random civ rule? That makes sense only if people constantly keep changing civs to counter-civs and can’t agree on what civs they gonna play.

@SheepishSum8288 said:
Well, their rules are sucks, but they enjoy that.

Well, so do you have any recommendation for the next tournament rather than the previous one as i felt bored about it too. What is the best rule/setting for multiplayers battle?

not really priests aren’t useful at all (especially vs charriots LUL), cavalry are only useful early bronze or as option if you get a bad civ without camels/charriot archers/decent composite bowmen, hoplites are only useful with greeks/macedonians.

For future tournaments the should make them on biggest possible mapsize + 3v3s or 4v4 (3v3s prefered because there is less lag than in 4v4).

These were some good games. Big thanks for casting in English!

0-5 never ideal for viewers/caster ofc but when other team is that strong, just have to accept it until there are players with the same skill competing.

@JosephC64 said:
What’s good about random civ rule? That makes sense only if people constantly keep changing civs to counter-civs and can’t agree on what civs they gonna play.

This should never be an issue. The player/team who picks the map should also pick their civ first, thus no roulette ensues.

@“teutonic tanks” said:

@Rain19910610 said:

@SheepishSum8288 said:
Vietnamese bans tower and wall, so spamming archer chariot is the best tactic.

Not at all, camel rider, calvary, hoplite, priest, catapult… all are useful, depending on your civil, your teamates’ civil, your enemies’ civil and tactics. ie: How do you train Chariot Archers with Persians or Macedonians? But Persians Camel riders and Macedonians hoplites are really strong and they are still good civils without Chariot Archers. Chariot Archer is a great choice only for Assyrians, Hittile and Egyptians.

@JosephC64 said:

@Rain19910610 said:
however Bronze age rule with random civils and free units is really good

What’s good about random civ rule? That makes sense only if people constantly keep changing civs to counter-civs and can’t agree on what civs they gonna play.

@SheepishSum8288 said:
Well, their rules are sucks, but they enjoy that.

Well, so do you have any recommendation for the next tournament rather than the previous one as i felt bored about it too. What is the best rule/setting for multiplayers battle?

not really priests aren’t useful at all (especially vs charriots LUL), cavalry are only useful early bronze or as option if you get a bad civ without camels/charriot archers/decent composite bowmen, hoplites are only useful with greeks/macedonians.

For future tournaments the should make them on biggest possible mapsize + 3v3s or 4v4 (3v3s prefered because there is less lag than in 4v4).

Priests spam is a good option against non-chariot civs. You can also train some to defense if your enemy plays golden units first. Obviously, training priests against chariot units is crazy. As I mentioned which units depends on many factors. You may change your mind about priest after watching this game. Do you think someone could convert composite bowmans faster than him? :slight_smile:
youtu.be/IUnaIPuJSOw

@Rain19910610 said:
Priests spam is a good option against non-chariot civs. You can also train some to defense if your enemy plays golden units first. Obviously, training priests against chariot units is crazy. As I mentioned which units depends on many factors. You may change your mind about priest after watching this game. Do you think someone could convert composite bowmans faster than him? :slight_smile:
youtu.be/IUnaIPuJSOw

Please tell me you’re trolling. That game is a joke.

First of all, it’s a game with special (Vietnamese) rules, obviously. A normal competitive AoE game looks exactly as the last tournament, with slingers and axemen. So to say that you can train priests and that they’re good is a joke because in 1 on 1 on the smallest map you won’t even make it to Bronze. And if you do, you most certainly won’t train priests versus a Tool army.

Second, the blue player manages to get to Bronze, train like two cavalry and then to build lots of temples and train lots of priests. Teal player does nothing in the meantime except training few cavalry and one priest also. Then, teal player manages to train some composite bowmen, but he doesn’t manage to train more of them than the enemy has priests. Basically, blue player spends 5000 gold on priests, and teal player spends 1000 food/gold combined on composite bowmen… And your conclusion is “look how good priests are, 20 of them win vs 10 composite bowmen who are busy shooting villagers and buildings”.

Third, in a 2v2 game it would be even worse. More so in 3v3 or 4v4 when at least someone would probably have chariots.

If you think a tactic of having 10 priests in the open field without backup is a legit way to play AoE and win, then show us an actual real game and not the one played for fun.

@JosephC64 said:

@Rain19910610 said:
Priests spam is a good option against non-chariot civs. You can also train some to defense if your enemy plays golden units first. Obviously, training priests against chariot units is crazy. As I mentioned which units depends on many factors. You may change your mind about priest after watching this game. Do you think someone could convert composite bowmans faster than him? :slight_smile:
youtu.be/IUnaIPuJSOw

Please tell me you’re trolling. That game is a joke.

First of all, it’s a game with special (Vietnamese) rules, obviously. A normal competitive AoE game looks exactly as the last tournament, with slingers and axemen. So to say that you can train priests and that they’re good is a joke because in 1 on 1 on the smallest map you won’t even make it to Bronze. And if you do, you most certainly won’t train priests versus a Tool army.

Second, the blue player manages to get to Bronze, train like two cavalry and then to build lots of temples and train lots of priests. Teal player does nothing in the meantime except training few cavalry and one priest also. Then, teal player manages to train some composite bowmen, but he doesn’t manage to train more of them than the enemy has priests. Basically, blue player spends 5000 gold on priests, and teal player spends 1000 food/gold combined on composite bowmen… And your conclusion is “look how good priests are, 20 of them win vs 10 composite bowmen who are busy shooting villagers and buildings”.

Third, in a 2v2 game it would be even worse. More so in 3v3 or 4v4 when at least someone would probably have chariots.

If you think a tactic of having 10 priests in the open field without backup is a legit way to play AoE and win, then show us an actual real game and not the one played for fun.

Well, the problem is that you have not understood deeply about this game. That’s all.
First, absolutely, i am replying to an idea about units used in VN rules. As what you said, we couldn’t mention priest, cavalry… in normal games, right?
Second, it seems you trust you have a better tactic than what they did in this game, well, you can try this game (Yamato vs Greek, or Greek vs Yamato as well) against a VN player.
Third, you can play a civ with chariot against a VN player playing a non-chariot civ, or join a team playing civs with chariot agaisnt a VN team playing non-chariot civs. You would see chariot archers are not too strong, it’s more complex than what you think.

This is just so ■■■■ wrong, it hurts my eyes. Saying someone “has not understood deeply about this game” just because he says priests suck is really ironic.
Who cares about VN rules. Do VN rules matter in the tournament they played? no. Do VN rules matter in current AoE1 DE MP? no. So what? This example doesnt matter at all, simply because you won’t get to the point to priest spam, especially not in 1v1 when you either make slingers or axemen. On top of that knowing that you wont have endless amount of gold it’s a waste as well.
To the game you posted: Yamato vs greek is a one sided matchup (or at least is supposed to be), this is a really big throw to lose as yamato, which shows again that this was just a troll game.

@“teutonic tanks” said:
This is just so **** wrong, it hurts my eyes. Saying someone “has not understood deeply about this game” just because he says priests suck is really ironic.
Who cares about VN rules. Do VN rules matter in the tournament they played? no. Do VN rules matter in current AoE1 DE MP? no. So what? This example doesnt matter at all, simply because you won’t get to the point to priest spam, especially not in 1v1 when you either make slingers or axemen. On top of that knowing that you wont have endless amount of gold it’s a waste as well.
To the game you posted: Yamato vs greek is a one sided matchup (or at least is supposed to be), this is a really big throw to lose as yamato, which shows again that this was just a troll game.

I am telling to members discussing about priest ability in bronze age rules. Please ignore it if you are not, that’s fine, my friend. Anw, we are not folowing them, so yes, it doesn’t matter. In conclusion, bronze age doesn’t mean chariot archers’ age as what someone misunderstood. :blush:

Dude, nobody serious gonna make priests online.

@Tom4 said:
Dude, nobody serious gonna make priests online.

I have seen one high level game where priests were used effectively. A player walled up and made some priests while teching into composite bowmen. Priests behind walls are a good counter to enemy cavalry, but I agree that their uses are too limited currently. Perhaps the cost of priests should be decreased to 100 gold to make them more viable.

@“teutonic tanks” said:
This is just so **** wrong, it hurts my eyes. Saying someone “has not understood deeply about this game” just because he says priests suck is really ironic.
Who cares about VN rules. Do VN rules matter in the tournament they played? no. Do VN rules matter in current AoE1 DE MP? no. So what? This example doesnt matter at all, simply because you won’t get to the point to priest spam, especially not in 1v1 when you either make slingers or axemen. On top of that knowing that you wont have endless amount of gold it’s a waste as well.
To the game you posted: Yamato vs greek is a one sided matchup (or at least is supposed to be), this is a really big throw to lose as yamato, which shows again that this was just a troll game.

Some people even want everyone follow Viet’s rules. God.

We are playing all defaults at 2.0 speed. Viet rules are followed by no one on DE, not even viets themselves. So yeah boys and girls, start sharpening your speed, its all about 2.0 speed in most competitive games now.

@RealIronSteel said:
We are playing all defaults at 2.0 speed. Viet rules are followed by no one on DE, not even viets themselves. So yeah boys and girls, start sharpening your speed, its all about 2.0 speed in most competitive games now.

Peru Champion?
Nice to see you here.
If you could understand Vietnamese, you could see many people are sticked to old rules, they want convert all players to their side, they said they has 20 experiences years in AoE1, because thay are the biggest community so everyone should learn and follow them. Unfortunately, admins of group are not allow that.

Speed 2.0 make AoE a pinballgame.

2.0 should be only for DM, real RM games should be 1.5.

@SheepishSum8288 said:

@RealIronSteel said:
We are playing all defaults at 2.0 speed. Viet rules are followed by no one on DE, not even viets themselves. So yeah boys and girls, start sharpening your speed, its all about 2.0 speed in most competitive games now.

Peru Champion?
Nice to see you here.
If you could understand Vietnamese, you could see many people are sticked to old rules, they want convert all players to their side, they said they has 20 experiences years in AoE1, because thay are the biggest community so everyone should learn and follow them. Unfortunately, admins of group are not allow that.

I am not sure if you have any problem of reading and understanding. Rain19910610 did not say anything which imply “all players have to follow Vietnam rules”.

Everyone, even Vietnamese know that their old rule is boring by now as they have played it for more than 10 years. However it does not mean that Viet’s rule only has chariot archer spam. If you do not care about them. It is fine . However if you open your mouth to talk about Vietnamese AOE community, please be humble as you haven’t played Viet’s rule or watched enough of their videos.

Anyway, just remember, 2 AOE DE trial tournaments, which were hosted by a Vietnamese clan (GameTV) applied “free” rule, not Viet’s rule. Vietnamese are trying a new thing. It is clear that they just want a better and bigger AOE DE community. Give a constructive criticism if you can please.

@ClayishActor93 said:

@SheepishSum8288 said:

@RealIronSteel said:
We are playing all defaults at 2.0 speed. Viet rules are followed by no one on DE, not even viets themselves. So yeah boys and girls, start sharpening your speed, its all about 2.0 speed in most competitive games now.

Peru Champion?
Nice to see you here.
If you could understand Vietnamese, you could see many people are sticked to old rules, they want convert all players to their side, they said they has 20 experiences years in AoE1, because thay are the biggest community so everyone should learn and follow them. Unfortunately, admins of group are not allow that.

I am not sure if you have any problem of reading and understanding. Rain19910610 did not say anything which imply “all players have to follow Vietnam rules”.

Everyone, even Vietnamese know that their old rule is boring by now as they have played it for more than 10 years. However it does not mean that Viet’s rule only has chariot archer spam. If you do not care about them. It is fine . However if you open your mouth to talk about Vietnamese AOE community, please be humble as you haven’t played Viet’s rule or watched enough of their videos.

Anyway, just remember, 2 AOE DE trial tournaments, which were hosted by a Vietnamese clan (GameTV) applied “free” rule, not Viet’s rule. Vietnamese are trying a new thing. It is clear that they just want a better and bigger AOE DE community. Give a constructive criticism if you can please.

@ClayishActor93 said:

@SheepishSum8288 said:

@RealIronSteel said:
We are playing all defaults at 2.0 speed. Viet rules are followed by no one on DE, not even viets themselves. So yeah boys and girls, start sharpening your speed, its all about 2.0 speed in most competitive games now.

Peru Champion?
Nice to see you here.
If you could understand Vietnamese, you could see many people are sticked to old rules, they want convert all players to their side, they said they has 20 experiences years in AoE1, because thay are the biggest community so everyone should learn and follow them. Unfortunately, admins of group are not allow that.

I am not sure if you have any problem of reading and understanding. Rain19910610 did not say anything which imply “all players have to follow Vietnam rules”.

Everyone, even Vietnamese know that their old rule is boring by now as they have played it for more than 10 years. However it does not mean that Viet’s rule only has chariot archer spam. If you do not care about them. It is fine . However if you open your mouth to talk about Vietnamese AOE community, please be humble as you haven’t played Viet’s rule or watched enough of their videos.

Anyway, just remember, 2 AOE DE trial tournaments, which were hosted by a Vietnamese clan (GameTV) applied “free” rule, not Viet’s rule. Vietnamese are trying a new thing. It is clear that they just want a better and bigger AOE DE community. Give a constructive criticism if you can please.

Right, but i say the truth. Not all of Viet guys feel good about free style rule, there are divided to 2 sides.
GTV is doing very well.

@SheepishSum8288 said:

@ClayishActor93 said:

@SheepishSum8288 said:

@RealIronSteel said:
We are playing all defaults at 2.0 speed. Viet rules are followed by no one on DE, not even viets themselves. So yeah boys and girls, start sharpening your speed, its all about 2.0 speed in most competitive games now.

Peru Champion?
Nice to see you here.
If you could understand Vietnamese, you could see many people are sticked to old rules, they want convert all players to their side, they said they has 20 experiences years in AoE1, because thay are the biggest community so everyone should learn and follow them. Unfortunately, admins of group are not allow that.

I am not sure if you have any problem of reading and understanding. Rain19910610 did not say anything which imply “all players have to follow Vietnam rules”.

Everyone, even Vietnamese know that their old rule is boring by now as they have played it for more than 10 years. However it does not mean that Viet’s rule only has chariot archer spam. If you do not care about them. It is fine . However if you open your mouth to talk about Vietnamese AOE community, please be humble as you haven’t played Viet’s rule or watched enough of their videos.

Anyway, just remember, 2 AOE DE trial tournaments, which were hosted by a Vietnamese clan (GameTV) applied “free” rule, not Viet’s rule. Vietnamese are trying a new thing. It is clear that they just want a better and bigger AOE DE community. Give a constructive criticism if you can please.

@ClayishActor93 said:

@SheepishSum8288 said:

@RealIronSteel said:
We are playing all defaults at 2.0 speed. Viet rules are followed by no one on DE, not even viets themselves. So yeah boys and girls, start sharpening your speed, its all about 2.0 speed in most competitive games now.

Peru Champion?
Nice to see you here.
If you could understand Vietnamese, you could see many people are sticked to old rules, they want convert all players to their side, they said they has 20 experiences years in AoE1, because thay are the biggest community so everyone should learn and follow them. Unfortunately, admins of group are not allow that.

I am not sure if you have any problem of reading and understanding. Rain19910610 did not say anything which imply “all players have to follow Vietnam rules”.

Everyone, even Vietnamese know that their old rule is boring by now as they have played it for more than 10 years. However it does not mean that Viet’s rule only has chariot archer spam. If you do not care about them. It is fine . However if you open your mouth to talk about Vietnamese AOE community, please be humble as you haven’t played Viet’s rule or watched enough of their videos.

Anyway, just remember, 2 AOE DE trial tournaments, which were hosted by a Vietnamese clan (GameTV) applied “free” rule, not Viet’s rule. Vietnamese are trying a new thing. It is clear that they just want a better and bigger AOE DE community. Give a constructive criticism if you can please.

Right, but i say the truth. Not all of Viet guys feel good about free style rule, there are divided to 2 sides.
GTV is doing very well.

@ClayishActor93: We’re just discussing how to make multiplayer battles not boring. Different countries, different opinions, we are trying to match them. Anw, game is friendship, don’t make things too serious like that, my friend. Have a nice week everyone :slight_smile:

Something I’ve wondered about is do you guys have a restart rule?

So if a player gets a really bad starting location and knows he is likely to lose, they can they call for a restart of the game. This would only apply to the first five minutes of in-game time and of course only once per series.