A Conjecture about the Next New Civilization

[MUTYLATOR5553]

Life would be easier when Maltese will be Sicilians XD.

[Tomfire123]

You all make lot of interesting civilizations, it was really fun to read this but do you all think developer will add civs future update?

[StoreyedPlate74]

Well, there are some hints pointing towards adding new civs. First, I think one of the devs said he wanted to put Brazil in the game if I recall correctly. There is also a complete absence of Poland in the revolutions, despite being a very strong contender, given its history, so I can guess they wanted to keep Poland free just in case. Although adding the winged hussars to the house of Vasa kind of hints the opposite. So, who knows? Maybe, or maybe not. It’s probably up to the higher ups and not the devs themselves

[M00Z1LLA]

There were some small Curonian African colonies and Liberia is the only country in the region that is independent of European colonization. So what I’m saying is to use Liberia as a catch all for all the little obscure west African colonies set up by countries that don’t have a lot of other good revolution options. Poland, Denmark, and maybe even Portugal all had west African outposts and are lacking in options for revolutions so I think Liberia could work for them.

[jonasnee4671]

There is neither Poland for Russians and Germans nor Norway for Sweden. Indicates IMO that both Poland and Denmark are likely considered faction candidates.

But its too early to state anything definitively. I wish someone would make a faction design for Poles, would be cool to see what people would imagine how it looks.

[StoreyedPlate74]

Yes, that’s my opinion as well.
However, two units that should have been unique units for Poland (winged hussars and lipka tatars) have been added to the royal houses, so I don’t know what’s their intention at the moment. Even techs from those houses have references to the pancerni (which could be another unique unit) and the folwark (a possible unique building)
But, yeah, Poland could be a very cool civ and it is, along with Persia, probably the most important civilization not featured yet on the game.

[M00Z1LLA]

They’re not so adverse to reworking minor civs so I don’t see that as an obstacle.

I’m not sure if the lack of a Greek revolution is an indicator that they’re under consideration or if that’s just because they didn’t make the cut the first time around and they haven’t had the resources to go back and add them.

[StoreyedPlate74]

Yeah, they’re reworked minor civs in the past, but it’s stil strange that they recently decided to add these units to the game.
And something similar happened with the Persians as well. The Qizilbash should be a unique unit for the Persians, but they recently gave it to the Sufi.
I hope you’re right and this doesn’t mean Persia and Poland are discarded.

[HoopThrower]

Qizilbash is nowhere near the only cavalry unit option for Persia. They kinda just were only relevant during the Safavid dynasty anyways.

[jonasnee4671]

i think greece might have something to do with the history between turkey and greece, it wasnt very pretty, and still isnt very pretty.

[StoreyedPlate74]

I didn’t say the only calvary unit, I just said “a unique unit”. Qizilbash is actually one of the better candidates for unique unit anyways, since they were very influencial in Safavid Persia. And the Safavid dynasty was the longest-lasting and most important dynasty of Persia during the time frame of aoe3, and actually since the Islamic conquest of Persia on the 7th Century.

[Opdepov]

Probably why they put the Greek revolt in the houses of Phanar.
It is represented ingame like this without stirring that nest of bees.

[MUTYLATOR5553]

@jonasnee4671

I wish someone would make a faction design for Poles, would be cool to see what people would imagine how it looks.

Read this:

@MUTYLATOR5553

If she had to start with something, it would be with the Szlachcic (Polish nobleman) - unique for Poles civ Hero unit (cavalry unit, can train a Winged Hussars. 3 limit.). Settlers near it become more efficient (a reference to the Folwark system where peasants were slaves to Szlachta on their private Folwarks).

@MUTYLATOR5553

Folwark (economic building that combines Estate, Mill, and Livestock Pen). This building would be something between Hacienda and Granary. Fields would be added to the Folwark building in order to be able to obtain food or coins. Contrary to Hacienda, Folwark did not automatically spawn settlers or cows, but it could be used to train Cows and Chłop’s in groups and also could be used to train Szlachcic. Units can be garrisoned in this building. This shoe would have no build limit, but building another one would be increasingly expensive.

Being on the subject of Folwark, I would also like to add:

Chłop (potential other name for this unit is a Cham or Peasant) is unique polish settler unit. Are weak, but quick to train. A special Home City card turns all Chłop’s into Kosynier (a peasant armed with a scythe - a slow but deadly unit that deals damage to multiple enemies at once). They work more efficiently near a Szlachcic.

@MUTYLATOR5553

It makes no sense, unless you add a unit of hunters to the civ Poles - Kurp. This would be a settler who cannot build buildings and can only harvest resources from natural sources. At the same time, this unit would be quite good in ranged combat.

Kurpie is a little-known region in Poland, but:

• Muddy lands and forests were not conducive to agricultural settlements, hence the forest was originally the main source of income for the Kurpie people. The first settlers in the Green Forest appeared in the 15th century, the villages were established a hundred years later. People from eastern Mazovia came to the forest, seeking shelter from attacks, as well as peasants fleeing serfdom and others prosecuted by the law. The first inhabitants of the Kurpie region dealt with fishing and hunting. The Kurpie were also engaged in beekeeping on the basis of royal privileges (beekeeping law, the privilege lasted until 1801), mining and processing of amber, wood crafts and weaving. They also worked as tar makers, coal makers and raftsmen. The development of agriculture took place in the 17th–19th centuries.
• in the social hierarchy, the Kurp was higher than the peasant because he did not do serfdom.
• in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Kurpie were famous for their shooting skills.
• some of the Kurpies took part in the fights during the “Swedish deluge”. The Swedish threat, constantly threatening the forests, was so serious that from around 1704 the Kurpie had their own troops ready for the arrival of the enemy. The column of Charles XII, numbering over 4,000 cavalry, was attacked by armed peasants on the first day of their journey through the Green Forest. Kurpie, hiding in ditches and behind trees, harassed the cavalry with fire, which, due to the difficult terrain, could not effectively defend themselves. The next day a message came to the king ordering him to leave the forest immediately. Of course, the monarch was deaf to this demand. Responding to the threat from the partisans, he reinforced his column with a foot guard of 3,000 soldiers. During the night between January 21 and 22, in the village of Brodowe Łąki, Kurpie showed that they were not afraid of the reinforced guard and attacked the quarters of Charles XII. As a result of the attack, several drabants guarding the ruler were killed, but he himself survived. The attackers disappeared into the darkness. The next night, the partisans (up to about 1,300 people) took a fortified position along the swamps near Myszyniec and the next day greeted the approaching column led by the king with fire. The position of the Kurpies was strong and blocked the further advance of the royal army, but there was also an equivalent of the Thermopylae Efialtes among them - a guide thanks to which a small part of the Swedish infantry bypassed the peasants’ positions and forced them to withdraw. On January 24, the Kurpies renewed their diplomatic mission, this time demanding a ransom in exchange for the opportunity to walk through the woods. Charles XII was furious. He ordered the villages to be ruthlessly pacified and anyone caught with a gun to be murdered. The middle column was divided into two parts, designed to comb the forests. This time the hunters were to become the victims, the villages were burning, and the caught guerrillas were hanged on the trees. Kurpie, however, did not give up even under the influence of terror. The more the Swedes delved into the forest, the more the resistance of its inhabitants grew. The men were soon joined by women and even children. It was at the hands of the boy that the king nearly died, a bullet whizzing past his ear. The troops laboriously but methodically moved forward, repelling subsequent attacks and losing some of the wagons. Despite the ambushes and roads blocked by tree trunks, the royal army finally left the Green Forest and was able to continue its march towards the Russian army. We do not know exactly what losses both sides suffered. According to historian Jan Wimmer, the losses of the invaders amounted to about 1,000 soldiers. This is relatively little, but to them should be added a veritable pogrom of horses, thanks to which the wagon trains and artillery moved, and on which the cavalrymen rode. As a result, Charles XII was forced to abandon the pontoons, thanks to which he efficiently overcomes rivers and parts of the rolling stock laden with loot - valuable, but slowing down the procession. The resistance of the Kurpies ultimately turned out to be futile, but they almost unanimously showed that the Swedes should not underestimate them. Although it was the center column that received the heaviest blows, the others also had to fend off the armed bands that sprang up in their path. The population living along the route of the marching armies offered them heroic resistance. Undoubtedly, it was a fight between David and Goliath. There were no more than 10,000 inhabitants of the forest, which was traversed by Charles XII’s column.

I know this because I come from this region of Poland.

@MUTYLATOR5553

If the Poles civ were to contain the Cossack theme, it would only be an option of revolution.

@MUTYLATOR5553

• Lisowczyk - it could just be a Cavalry Archer. It may simply be the name for Cavalry Archer being the Royal Guard for Poles civ.
• Tabor - if anything, better save it for the Cossack revolution option.
• Partyzant - it may be the Kurp I mentioned above

@MUTYLATOR5553

Jan III Sobieski was an outstanding commander in the history of Poland, but as the elective king was unremarkable.

Definitely better candidates for the ruler of the Poles civ would be:
Sigismund I the Old; or his son - Sigismund II Augustus

(during their rule there was a golden age in Poland). BTW, Sigismund II Augustus swore a real Union of Lublin, giving rise to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

@MUTYLATOR5553

The best solution would be to create a common Architecture Set for Poles and Russians civs - Eastern European. It would be characterized by the fact that the buildings would be made of logs and covered with straw (sometimes until Age IV).

@MUTYLATOR5553

The main source of income for the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was the sale of grain to the west. I think farming grain in Folwark would generate coins. Poles mainly ate legumes and little meat, so legumes could generate food. In addition, Cows could be garrisoned inside the Folwark to generate a passive food source - Milk.

The possibility of training Chłop’s/Cham’s in the Folwark could consist in training in groups - e.g. 5 units.

The option of “sticking” fields to the Folwark would be suitable for this, as it is in AoE2 and among African civs.

@MUTYLATOR5553

In principle, Russians and Polish civs could have a Chłop’s Cham’s unit together because both in Russia and in the PLC the serf system lasted the longest and the situation of the serfs was dire.

In fact, the name Cham (Cham in Polish; хам in Russian) could be universal, because it occurs both in Polish and in Russian.

@MUTYLATOR5553

I was rather thinking that the Poles civ would also have the Lithuanian revolution option because many times in the history of PLC Lithuania tried to break out. Hence, civ poles should have a revolution option such as:

1. Ukrainian (or Cossack) revolution - but personally I think they deserve their own civ
2. Lithuanian revolution
3. Hungarian revolution - from the fact that Poles were on the Hungarian side during the revolution of 1848

@MUTYLATOR5553

Jan III Sobieski may appear in some Historical Battle (e.g. Battle of Khotyn (1673)) as a hero unit. It can also be a skin for the Polish hero unit - Szlachcic.

@MUTYLATOR5553

Sigismund II Augustus united Poland and Lithuania into one state. During his reign, Poland had its golden age. I think he deserves to be the ruler of poles civ in AoE 3.

BTW. Warsaw could be the Home City of Poles civ because it is easy to recreate.

@MUTYLATOR5553

I meant to create a completely new Eastern European Set of Architecture for Poles and Russians civs.

Germans, Danes and Swedes civs could have the current Architecture Set. Potentially if Prussians civ (and maybe Swiss civ) were added then a German/Central European Architecture Set could be created. Danes and Swedes civs would always feel good in the current Architecture Set.

[StoreyedPlate74]

I like your concept for the Poles, especially the Szlachcic and the folwark. I also like the idea of having the chlop as a basic settler and the kurp as an armed settler that can only gather wood but it’s capable of basic combat.

I think their unique units should be the winged hussar, lipka tatars (already in the game) and the pancerni (a unit that would take the role of the regular hussar).

I don’t know how to implement the Lisowczyk in a way that doesn’t overlap with these 3 cavalry units.

And yeah, the Cossack units would work better as home city shipments and revolution units.

[jonasnee4671]

it would be nice to see as a thread if you get the time

[MatM1996]

@Josh1Axel

No culpo a Chile por aceptar la propuesta de Argentina, como dice el dicho “es fácil ser valiente desde un lugar seguro” y fue una buena estrategia no abrir un frente que se sabe muy probablemente se va a perder. Me hizo reflexionar las consecuencias negativas que contrajo anexar la Patagonia para Argentina, al menos en latinoamérica es un “mal común” para muchos países la sobre-extensión de territorio. Por ejemplo, en la Guerra de la Confederación Perú-Bolivia, el Perú estuvo cerca de dividirse en 2 países (y esto viene desde el Virreinato: Perú es el único país en sudamérica que heredó 2 “Audiencias”: La de Lima y la de Cuzco). El territorio Amazónico (que supuestamente cedió la Gran Colombia) también fue algo conflictivo, durante la Fiebre del caucho un grupo de empresarios creyeron que era buena idea rebelarse e independizarse de la República del Perú, el ejército del Perú tuvo que enviar tropas a travéz de Brasil para sofocar la Rebelión

Claro,de hecho anexarnos la Patagonia tampoco sirvió de mucho,ya que hasta la actualidad sigue siendo una región super despoblada,salvo la zona de Bariloche y Comodoro Rivadavia (no sé como lo hubiera manejado Chile)…lo único malo que nos dió la Patagonia fueron los K xd…aunque también nos dió Vaca Muerta,así que algo es algo supongo…xd

@Josh1Axel

En mi opinión buena parte de sudamérica sigue siendo un caos político

Eso siempre…no importa la década o el siglo…

@Josh1Axel

Pero bueno, regresando al tema original; los países latinoamericanos que deberían agregarse a Age of EMPIRES 3 deberían ser los países que en algún momento fueron Imperios:

• Imperio Mexicano (ya está incluido)
• Imperio del Brasil

Gran Colombia y Provincias Unidas del Río de la Plata iniciaron los movimientos independentistas, así que también podría ser factible agregarlos. Perú fue el primer Virreinato de Sudamérica y el último país en independizarse del Imperio Español (y esto tiene muchas complicaciones y tramas) así que también agregaría una buena cantidad de Lore y jugabilidad, y por último, el caso especial del Imperio de Haití : es considerado Imperio porque así lo declaró Jean-Jacques Dessalines cuando se auto-proclamó emperador, personalmente creo que no cumple con las condiciones para ser considerado “Imperio” pero podría ser interesante para algunos jugadores (caso parecido al DLC “Grito de Libertad” del juego Assassin’s Creed IV)

Claro,por Imperios ya tenés el azteca,el inca y el mexicano…ahora faltan el brasileño y el haitiano y por supuesto las naciones libertadoras…

[StatelyPlayer64]

poca gente recuerda que chile se anexiono la isla de pascua en la decada de 1880 xd era gracioso como mi pais era tal que " quiero más tierra pero nos falta gente… mmm envia 200 tipos y que se asenten en ese sitio abandonado de la mano de dios y que hagan patria" literal fuerte bulnes en magallanes XD

[CanineCrown7153]

Siempre podría haber sido peor. Podría haber sido un nuevo Puerto del hambre

[StatelyPlayer64]

cierto, pero no se como mi pais se las arreglo para que con solo unos pocos desgraciados y fuertes de madera se quedaran a vivir tan lejos xd

[Vietcongue4737]

A pack with Brazilians and tupis would be great!