A Couple Balance Suggestions

Age of Empires II: DE II - Discussion
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Just a couple ideas of mine that I’d like to share because I have nothing else to do.

Cumans: Reverted to what they were when DE was first released but with a minor nerf to the second TC build time to offset the Steppe Lancer buff.

A lot of civs have been buffed since DE first came out, I don’t think they’ll actually be OP now.

Vietnamese: Paper money gives 800 gold to all team members. [Was 500 gold]

To hopefully encourage players to pick up the tech more often.

Burmese: Recieve leather archer armour.

Give them something for god’s sake! Their archery range is a joke.

Malay: Recieve two-man saw.

Just a small water buff, not that they need one, I just think it’s nice.

Tatars: New town centres generate 6 sheep starting in the castle age. [Was 2 sheep]

I can’t think of any other way to buff them and they need a buff.

Oh, and let’s change the Slavs’ name to Rus and the Turks’ name to Ottomans.

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Why would u buff a top10 civ in the game?

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Noo, just no for the dear love of God

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The stats suggest otherwise.

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TBH I don’t understand these stats. I think Tatars are at least above average.
I’ve no Idea what’s going on there.

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They’re kinda weak.

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They are kinda a top10 civ and picked regularly in tournaments.

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Uhhhh, but they are not a top 10 civ in regular games. This game isn’t for pro players only, lets balance this game for people in the 1250-1650 range.

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It also baffled me how people do poorly with Tatars. I find them quite smooth even without the new sheep from new TCs.
However, recently I realized there is a tendency to not chop enough wood early on as Tatars, resulting in lagging military buildings 11

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Maybe that’s the reason. Tatars need special build orders. I don’t think all people play them to their full potential.

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No need to balance the game for noobs.

Tatars were considered the sickest, most broken civ in November. What happened after?

Lost 2 sheep in Feudal Age, which can be compensated by luring more deer
Keshik +10 food cost, which is a useless nerf
Cavalry Archers less frame delay, which is a major buff

Yes, it would be a terrible move to make Burmese viable against Archer civs.

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But players in the 1250-1650 range are not noobs, they are good at the game without being crazy good like the pros. People who play games for a living in general need to get a life.

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Please stay polite. Just unnecessary insult.

True, that was broken. Yet it lead to only about 50 % winrate, which shows most players didn’t knew about how broken they were. I’d lot of fun with that 20 pop 2 FU archery ranges build, completely OP.

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It is a fact, not an insult. 1250 ELO players are simply bad. It is like considering someone who cannot swim as a good swimmer.

Every pro complained how broken Tatars are. I guess they understand the game better than people here.

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Maybe, but I think less than 2 % of the players are above 1600. I think balancing a game for ONLY the top player minority is actually bad for development. I like AOE2 is somewhat balanced and fun for all elos.

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I may be being a bit offensive here but please don’t flag that post. I can understand some of you may find it offensive but it’s true nonetheless.

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I even consider 1700 ELO players bad.

To who? It is just an analogy. I mean you even found offensive that someone likes blonde women.

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You’re setting the bar too high.

Offensive to people in 1250-1650 Elo range.

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People call 500 ELO players noobs. Is that not offensive to 500 ELO players?

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Sorry, but elo bullying is an insult. Just be happy you are better in the game than the most others.

Transfering this to this forum makes you not a better human being - it actually makes you a worse.

And this is ofc true for all elos, also for 1 k who bully 500.

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