A lengthy, breathless explanation (with examples) as to why proposing balance changes based off winrate is a terrible idea

[MatCauthon3]

@casusincorrabil

Franks are a strong TG civ. But here we see they don’t have the highest TG winrates

ahem.

@Chesqin

Top 5 civs in descending order (all within 0.5% of 52% winrate):

• Franks
• Indians
• Berbers
• Huns
• Goths

yes they do have the top TG winrate.

@casusincorrabil

And the best way to deal with this would be to try to make certain civ bonusses for the “bad” tg civs which somewhat break the meta. Like make the byzantine trash discount applying for all the team members.

except that wouldn’t do much good because archers would just pick off the spears and then cavalry would swoop in and wipe out the skirms.