Let’s remove the +3 villager starting bonus for the Chinese civilization and instead give them +15 population. Currently, low-elo players can’t play with the Chinese civilization; the +3 villager bonus is detrimental rather than beneficial. However, in high-elo, the Chinese civilization has a very high win rate. Therefore, we can’t balance the Chinese civilization because developers consider the win rate of all Elos when balancing. Please consider my suggestion carefully; this is the only way we can balance the Chinese civilization. I believe that once the +3 villager bonus is removed, it will have a similar win rate across all Elos, allowing us to balance it.
What is bad about +3 vils? You only need to gather food from sheep.
I think what they once tried to do with the Chinese start (starting with +2 vils and -150f) would work well (or at least help at lower ELOs while having negligible effect at higher ELOs). And the change would weaken Chinese on straggler shore fish maps (where Chinese can reduce idle TC time even further). However, players whined about not wanting the Chinese start changed, so that got reverted.
I think the issue at low ELOs isn’t the extra villagers, but rather starting with less resources. Also note that win rates should be getting most of their variance from random-picking civs (at least from among multiple civs, if not all of them) - and that Chinese aren’t really a great civ to random into (they’re flexible, but lack an especially strong unit outside of Chu Ko Nu and not everyone knows how to handle the start).
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You always start with 3 villagers. If you start with 6 villagers, you don’t know what to do or you can’t use them effectively. (This is true for low Elo players; it’s very good in high Elo.)
When you remove the extra villagers, the resources will also return to normal. Additionally, a population of +15 will reflect a specific historical characteristic of the Chinese that you want to portray (their large population).
Chinese TC gives 15 pop space and wide line of sight. You can start to gather sheep slowly.
I can’t think there is problem.
+3 vil at the start is too iconic to remove
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