Welcome to the topic presenting the proposal for a new DLC for Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition focused on Central Europe.
I invite everyone to read and discuss
The DLC I propose would add the four Germanic civilizations currently unrepresented in the game. The release of such an add-on could eventually complete the further addition of civs from this region. This expansion would add 4 Germanic civs from Holy Roman Empire. Additionally, this DLC add many new campaigns and 2 brand new architecture sets.
This DLC would include 5 brand-new campaigns!!! - 3 for new civs (Bavarians, Franconians and Saxons) + 1 for Teutons and + 1 for Magyars
Teutons civ would remain the same (apart from changing the civ description and icon of civ - the current Teutons civ icon would be included in the coat of arms of the Teutonic Order).
Barbarossa Campaign would become the Allemanians civ campaign, like Prithviraj campaign after Dynasties of India DLC release. Mission 5 (“Barbarossa’s March”) and 6 (“The Emperor Sleeping”) of this campaign would still allow the use of Teutonic Knights.
In general, I don’t agree with Mutylator’s DLC ideas, but I don’t remember calling it imbalanced or using hurful words. I do respect them though, because they put a lot of effort and research into their ideas. They take the time and effort to put all of their ideas into words which is way more than what I do
I like the proposals but I think you should dig more into the identity you wanna give to the civs. The UT and UU in this context feels a little generic and out of focus, can’t know how they work with the overall civ, so I won’t go too much into detail for that.
Just a note that Oktoberfest as a UT with tavern and villagers being drunk feels unintentionally (?) Ironic lol. It’s like making Italians making pizzas idk it’s too much even for aoe2 ahah (don’t know how serious of a proposal it is). Besides it seems Oktoberfest started being a thing much later than aoe2 timeframe, in 1800s.
Maybe you took inspiration from stronghold for that but put in a aoe2 context makes it look like a joke or maybe I’m being shortsighted…
About civs themselves, you’re basically putting Swabians, swiss and allemanians together? Barbarossa was Swabian but I’m not sure it was the same thing as being allemanian or Swiss. Alemanni and suebi originally were two separate barbarian tribes (suebi even had a kingdom in Hispania!) that eventually mixed up a lot in the alemannia region but Swabia is a different region iirc.
I guess both names make sense but maybe Swabians describe better Barbarossa and what you’re presenting than alemannians who reminds more of the Germanic tribe fighting the Romans.
I think they could both be their own civ btw but maybe I’m wrong, you tell me.
I don’t know if it’s a good idea to make alemannians the same as swiss, I was questioning that myself for a long time. I would do that just because in general I’m against using modern names for civs and swiss definitely is. But at the same time alemannians seems off when it comes to address Switzerland the same way it is for Swabia… so it could be two or three civs in one.
Franconians seems another umbrella to catch everyone in low lands and that area (Lorraine/Lotharingia as well?) But it’s better than Dutch imho which would need to extend the timeframe of the game further to 1648 to cover all the 80 years wars (their “war of independence”) otherwise it would feel a civ with half baked history. There would be no problem with that if not that by stepping over 1600 you would need to add north American civs too and then going down a spiral where you’re practically adding modern era… or maybe not?
Anyway for Franconians themselves would do you have considered Frisians or Hollanders as a name? Or you think franconians better include both?
Saxons are another umbrella to catch Saxons from northern Germany and Anglo-Saxons I guess but it seems to focus more on the former while I personally think this game desperately needs a Britons/Celts (Vikings too) split. There is absolutely nothing to represent Britain before 1000 AD, having Briton factions in 7th century Britain using longbows is laughable, I wanted to make a campaign set around that period but seriously which civs should you play with to represent idk Northumbria, Mercia, the Welsh? Indeed all the existing custom campaigns set there make you use goths, Britons, Sicilians (renamed Normans) and other silly picks. Woad raiders work well with Picts I assume but then just make a proper Scots civ and move them away from it to not waste entirely an iconic unit.
As for Saxons themselves I’m still not sure if they should be two civs. I think for the moment having at least one is ok but more on the side of Anglo-Saxons which are more needed imho.
Not much to say about Bavarians, they can make in the game imho. It just get questionable to have Teutons or not as a civ since Germany is basically split up (like it should in a medieval game if you ask me) and they could only represent a vague and abstract idea of HRE or more probably a crusader order which again raises the question if that makes sense a civ since it’s not a culture but rather a “dynasty” sort of.
And that’s it! Now I’m waiting for someone to make a sarcastic remark on how Europe has 20 civs while Africa has 2. Not a single day shall pass without me forgetting my European bias in shame and sorrow! Memento Mori etc.
OP didn’t get Dynasties of India and has less than 100 hours on AOE2. Tells you everything you need to know how serious his civ suggestion posts you have to take. He’s just going to post pretty pictures of one of the million German mission trees he met in Europa Universalis IV and thinks you have to create a dedicated civ about a minor German flavour variant. Unironically even posted once Oktoberfest as a Bavarian UT, a Volksfest which didn’t happen until the 19th century 11
EDIT: Reading through OPs post, Oktoberfest is apparently still here 11
these seem very strange. a unique tech that benefits trade in castle age? you dont have trade in castle age! (also completely useless in 1v1s) I think this should be moved to Imp and add some speed bonus to trade units, otherwise it’s purely defensive
all military units +25% faster seems OP, considering that husbandry only adds 10% speed
so in imperial age a castle age UU is available at the barracks? can your allies research the elite upgrade? how does it fit in the barracks panel if you have a bavarian and an italian ally?
Oktoberfest is from the 19th century. that’s really far removed from the timeline of the game. Maybe just call it ‘Volksfest’?
what? Nuremberg is in Franconia, but you gave their wonder to Bavarians. Franconia is landlocked but you give them a unique ship? and Dutch Musketeers?
Cologne is not part of Franconia
What the hell were you thinking here?
why not saxons?
confusing since the Knight is just called ‘Ritter’ in the German version of the game.
It’s a bad idea for several reasons which several users tried to explain to you in several threads you almost all started but you don’t want to listen. And by the fact that you struggle to make them unique then maybe, just maybe it’s because there’s nothing really unique about them to justifying adding them, just saying. For some reason you have such a ##### for more German civs that you can’t see it, actually no, you don’t wan’t to see it and it really makes me not taking you seriously anymore.
And Oktoberfest as UT as well as your cringy Kaiserreich profile picture on Steam is just a symptom of that deeper lack of understanding and willingness to hear. The Kaiserreich among other things is responsible for the massacre of the Hereros, a fact you probably learned today:
It’s just pretty pictures with no substance like CelticKeeper and JonOliveira ############# in the Future Factions thread and you’re not an ounce better than this.
I know I shouldn’t care but it pisses me off after a while. When we’re at civ 100 we can consider adding German Duchies, but this is just ridiculous bloat right now.