Castle Age Camel Riders are still quite weak and have very little anticav bonus though, so even Indian Castle Age Camel Riders are ordinary with just 6 base attack and only 9 anticav, while still costing 60G, more than Leitis, Keshiks and Berber Cavalier.
It is the Indian Economy that is good.
And then consider that the halb(a 6 base damage unit) damage against another 6 base damage unit is now buffed to +26…
Cavalries especially elephants and Paladins are really really tanky. So it’s good to have strong counter against them. Otherwise some civ could not stands against them.
Ofcourse @Lonezwiebel . But this topic is also about the Huge bonus damage vs Elephants and vs Camels which are not seen nearly enough and are also not meta units((except for Indians, who have literally no other good option)
Elephants of all kinds are pitifully underused, except for Khmer BE in some cases
Melee Camels are definetly not seen from anyone except for Indians, who have no other choice, or for Byzantines with the cheaper Camels.
For me it would be OK to slightly reduce extra damage against camels but not for elephants they are too tanky.
I know elephants cannot run away from pikes but you can protect them with Archer or skirms.
Actually camel rider you only produce them to counter cavalry and not to attack the enemy base. Indians are special civ. Then you have to prepare Archer range units because you know the enemy will come with halbedier.
Malians also make Heavy Camels as a reliable source of raiding damage, once Farimba is researched, because they are cheaper and faster than Cavaliers.
I also agree that anti-Elephant bonus should be more than anti-cav bonus.
But should it be as high as +60 is the question, considering that Elephants of all kinds are already pitifully underused, except for Khmer BE in some cases,
and also that Elephants nowadays only have 300 or less HP, meaning only 5-6 hits needed to kill them by the most spammable unit in the game. This is not 600HP Elite War Elephants we’re talking about… (those are never ever seen)
Agreed on anti-Camel bonus needing to nerfed a bit, it was increased too much in my opinion…
I’m thinking of nerfing halb’s attack to 5 or even 4. Why do they need all that attack with their huge bonus damage
I would instead nerf the bonus against camels and elephants a tiny bitty small amount (5, or less) , so armor upgrades still have accounts for damage
@JokerPenguin593’s suggestion could be even better, I agree to both of the above solutions to this unit-balance problem
I personally would like to see 5 base attack for Halbs and -5 Anti-Elephant, -5 Anti-Camel
Pikes and Spears are totally fine
maybe anti damage vs Camels should be nerfed but not vs Imperial Camels. In this case Imp Camels should get their own armor class.
Even after the nerf they will still do +22 vs Imp Camels, which is much more than before the anti-Camel increase
And Imp camels have also lost 1 melee armor it had in African Kingdoms
So I don’t think it is necessary to give Imperial Camels their own Armor class, after all it’s just like a Cavalier upgrade, +20HP and +2Attack, that too on a 7 base attack unit.
Indians have no other unit to go to, that is why a lot of things are attributed to them, when it is actually the Indian Economy that is strong(but not OP)
