# Battle Elephants for the Indians **URL:** \ **Category:** II - Discussion\ **Created:** [February 28, 2020, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614 "2020-02-28T02:22:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/juggernaut8704/32/203886_2.png) [@Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Juggernaut8704)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1120 "2020-05-03T13:48:35Z")
why should one be on either extreme? full historical accuracy or no historical accuracy. aoe2 is not like that. ---
**Author:** ![ferchalurch](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ferchalurch/32/34796_2.png) [@ferchalurch](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ferchalurch)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1121 "2020-05-03T13:49:12Z")
And that is everyone’s point for keeping them the same. ---
**Author:** ![Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/juggernaut8704/32/203886_2.png) [@Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Juggernaut8704)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1122 "2020-05-03T13:50:36Z")
and the same point applies for fixing what a lot of people are demanding. changes to make it more acceptable. a camel civ cannot represent the subcontinent ---
**Author:** ![JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/jonoli12/32/50441_2.png) [@JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/JonOli12)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1123 "2020-05-03T13:52:14Z")
Imposing my will? Convincing other? I am posting facts, I do not need to convince anyone. This is a discussion, I am not trying to get people to vote for me. Indians already have an Elephant unit, and it is one of the most Unique of the bunch. They are covered in the Elephant department. Just because you do not like how the unit turned out, it does not mean Indians need a new Elephant unit, that you feel would be more usable. Historical arguments have been waived, as this was never a game that aimed for accuracy (in many ways it is a Fantasy game), and is not a simulation either. Gameplay arguments have also been waived, as the civ is already competitively viable, and perhaps even a little too strong. Indians is also one of the most unique civs in the game, and one of my personal favourites. Changing them into yet another Mass Battle Elephant civ like the Khmer would be silly. ---
**Author:** ![Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/juggernaut8704/32/203886_2.png) [@Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Juggernaut8704)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1124 "2020-05-03T13:56:44Z")
> [@JonOli12](#): > > I am not trying to get people to vote for me. even people who try to gain votes don’t impose will, they try to convince. > [@JonOli12](#): > > Historical arguments have been waived, as this was never a game that aimed for accuracy (in many ways it is a Fantasy game), and is not a simulation either. again the same logical fallacy. nobody is willing to make it fully historical, making them overpowered or under-powered, it should be just acceptable to the masses. You are making only one civilization to represent 1.71 billion people, atleast make it good enough to represent them properly. ---
**Author:** ![JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/jonoli12/32/50441_2.png) [@JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/JonOli12)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1125 "2020-05-03T14:00:23Z")
> [@Juggernaut8704](#): > > nobody is willing to make it fully historical, making them overpowered or under-powered, it should be just acceptable to the masses. You are wrong, this would open the flood gates for historically accurate complaints, and if devs have to listen to indian players, they would have to listen to everyone else. You would end up with a game that is unplayable and unrecognizable from it’s original form. You would also find out that it would be grossly unbalanced. The masses would not support it, and would quickly turn against your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/thedarkness3673/32/29249_2.png) [@TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TheDarkness3673)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1126 "2020-05-03T14:02:10Z")
> [@JonOli12](#): > > You are wrong, this would open the flood gates for historically accurate complaints, and if devs have to listen to indian players, they would have to listen to everyone else. where are thoes people. Indians are being discussed from when they were added in HD ---
**Author:** ![TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/thedarkness3673/32/29249_2.png) [@TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TheDarkness3673)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1127 "2020-05-03T14:06:06Z")
> [@JonOli12](#): > > You would end up with a game that is unplayable and unrecognizable from it’s original form. You would also find out that it would be grossly unbalanced. So what do you not understand about balanc first but coming closer to AoE2 theam doesnt hurt anybody. twisting words by saying Simulator or nothing is not not what most of us were saying ---
**Author:** ![JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/jonoli12/32/50441_2.png) [@JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/JonOli12)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1128 "2020-05-03T14:07:13Z")
And they have not been radically changed since, mostly only nerfed, because the devs seem to be satisfied with how Indians work. They made a whole expansion of Elephant civs, so people could play those 4 civs. ---
**Author:** ![TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/thedarkness3673/32/29249_2.png) [@TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TheDarkness3673)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1129 "2020-05-03T14:07:15Z")
> [@JonOli12](#): > > The masses would not support it, and would quickly turn against your opinion. How do you know what most players whant, most still dont know that mongols got stepe lancer… ---
**Author:** ![TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/thedarkness3673/32/29249_2.png) [@TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TheDarkness3673)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1130 "2020-05-03T14:09:10Z")
ok but also you said that theyr UU should be usles cous they are strong is totaly against balanc you are talking about. then UU should at least be usable even if it is not theyr best strategy ---
**Author:** ![JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/jonoli12/32/50441_2.png) [@JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/JonOli12)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1131 "2020-05-03T14:10:07Z")
> [@GiggyMoss367211](#): > > twisting words by saying Simulator or nothing is not not what most of us were saying It is the logical conclusion of your argument. If a civ has to be redesigned for historical accuracy, then they all have to aswell. > [@Why must the Indians be denied Battle Elephants? We could work on balancing, but they should get them being their Major theme](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/why-must-the-indians-be-denied-battle-elephants-we-could-work-on-balancing-but-they-should-get-them-being-their-major-theme/80288/436): > > most still dont know that mongols got stepe lancer… Because the Steppe Lancer was so neutered into being only a strict raiding unit, that it changed nothing for the Mongols. Their game plan is still Siege + Mangudai. This would be the reverse effect of what would happen to the iNdians, if they got a more pop-efficient Battle Elephant. > [@Why must the Indians be denied Battle Elephants? We could work on balancing, but they should get them being their Major theme](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/why-must-the-indians-be-denied-battle-elephants-we-could-work-on-balancing-but-they-should-get-them-being-their-major-theme/80288/437): > > then UU should at least be usable even if it is not theyr best strategy No. Karambits, TKs, and several other UUs are never played. they are not supposed to be good. They are supposed top be specialized. Elephant Archers are a specialized Tank Archer. ---
**Author:** ![Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/juggernaut8704/32/203886_2.png) [@Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Juggernaut8704)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1132 "2020-05-03T14:11:19Z")
> [@JonOli12](#): > > It is the logical conclusion of your argument Why using the same logical fallacy again and again? ---
**Author:** ![TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/thedarkness3673/32/29249_2.png) [@TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TheDarkness3673)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1133 "2020-05-03T14:12:56Z")
> [@JonOli12](#): > > It is the logical conclusion of your argument. If a civ has to be redesigned for historical accuracy, then they all have to aswell. where did you find “must” we said it could be possible. and where is all or nothing logical. If you only whant balanc then all civs should be able to defete all other civs and they should all get same stuff so they are really balanced… ---
**Author:** ![TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/thedarkness3673/32/29249_2.png) [@TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TheDarkness3673)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1134 "2020-05-03T14:14:03Z")
> [@JonOli12](#): > > No. Karambits, TKs, and several other UUs are never played. they are not supposed to be good. They are supposed top be specialized. > > Elephant Archers are a specialized Tank Archer. karabits have a use, TK are being worked on with buffs, and so are other UU boyar letis… ---
**Author:** ![JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/jonoli12/32/50441_2.png) [@JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/JonOli12)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1135 "2020-05-03T14:15:33Z")
Because I personally, will start a million threads asking for it, and you can bet I will muster the support. If the devs do not act on it, after they do it to the Indians, then they will be hypocrites. > [@GiggyMoss367211](#): > > karabits have a use, No use at all, just a waste of Gold. Trash-handed Swordsman makes sure the UU is unusable. ---
**Author:** ![TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/thedarkness3673/32/29249_2.png) [@TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TheDarkness3673)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1136 "2020-05-03T14:18:38Z")
> [@JonOli12](#): > > No use at all, just a waste of Gold. Trash-handed Swordsman makes sure the UU is unusable. what? they can outnumber milita line and destroy them…they are faster, cheaper, can deflect an attack on a castel if they leave theyr sige unportected ---
**Author:** ![JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/jonoli12/32/50441_2.png) [@JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/JonOli12)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1137 "2020-05-03T14:20:08Z")
> [@GiggyMoss367211](#): > > they can outnumber milita line and destroy them In what world? And even if they could, why would you not just use the more cost-efficient Trash-hand Swordsman? They can mass really quickly too. ---
**Author:** ![TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/thedarkness3673/32/29249_2.png) [@TheDarkness3673](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TheDarkness3673)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1138 "2020-05-03T14:21:25Z")
> [@JonOli12](#): > > Because I personally, will start a million threads asking for it, and you can bet I will muster the support. > > If the devs do not act on it, after they do it to the Indians, then they will be hypocrites. ok do 😃 i wont stop you. balance of civs was changed when they added all the new civs with original dlc and other dlc that came after and game is still good. you act like you have all the answers on while pulling stats from you head that arent ever true ---
**Author:** ![JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/jonoli12/32/50441_2.png) [@JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/JonOli12)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614/1139 "2020-05-03T14:22:10Z")
Because all you care about, is Indians, not the state of the game. This has exposed you as a fanatic nationalist. [Previous page](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614.md?page=27) [Next page](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/battle-elephants-for-the-indians/72614.md?page=29)