An overwhelmingly high number of votes go to black forest in 1v1 next week. How much does this vote reflect the truth? Right now black forest gets 22% of votes and second most popular map is only 10%. Does black forest really have double the popularity of the second most loved map? I doubt it.
Black forest is great for some team entertainment but for 1v1 ranked, is black forest so much loved?
Right now black forest gets 22% of votes and second most popular map is only 10%.
I see Black Forest at 22%, but two other maps at 13%.
Black forest is great for some team entertainment but for 1v1 ranked, is black forest so much loved?
It is a unique map, there are no similar maps to vote for and no similar maps are standard. The votes for maps with more similar maps in the voting get more split. For example I would expect that some votes get split between Mediterranean and Fore Lakes or Kilimanjaro, Cenotes, Atacama, Gold rush and Lowland. On the other hand there are not maps like Michi and Amazon Tunnel in the voting so votes for closed forest maps get more funneled to Black Forest.
I don’t think Black Forest is bad for a 1v1.
900 elo trolls are also the majority of the population, their idea of the game is boom to imp and only fight when you are at 200 pop with full upgrades.
Such players overwhelmingly like Arena/BF etc. In 900-1000 elo bracket, from my experience the majority of players dislike Feudal aggression, dealing with Scouts etc. they think the game is fun and starts AT LEAST in Castle Age where they try to all-in Knights or Castle drop since these are very easy ways to win.
The reason why I don’t play this game anymore. 
Some people also just want to watch the world burn.
It’s very funny seeing Arabia-only players foam at the mouths over this, in fact.
You dont have to roast noobs…we were once there too. Right now I am 1200+ so I dont think 1000 elo players are that bad compared to me. I also dont hate black forest, I enjoy that in TGs, but just don’t get why it is in 1v1…like everyone play fatslob?
1v1 should be about aggression, transitions and balancing the right amount of eco and military… if the game starts in Imp because aggression is discouraged, then the mode takes intrinsically less skill.
Also 1v1 BF most likely end up decided by who has more relics…if both players are even skill
900 elo trolls are also the majority of the population, their idea of the game is boom to imp and only fight when you are at 200 pop with full upgrades.
Such players overwhelmingly like Arena/BF etc. In 900-1000 elo bracket, from my experience the majority of players dislike Feudal aggression, dealing with Scouts etc. they think the game is fun and starts AT LEAST in Castle Age where they try to all-in Knights or Castle drop since these are very easy ways to win.
Black Forest is actually a map where a lot of dark age fighting happens. The map is explored and walling is a good strategy, but when both players send vils and a scout, then there is often a fight, and you can kill enemy vils or get your own killed. This is at a point of the game, where you just process a standard build order on other maps. So Black Forest is much more skillful in this regard. You can also sneak vils or your scout behind the walls, what is a strategic investment for aggression.
Another aspect of Black Forest I like are onager cuts to the enemy or to neutral ressources.
I don’t think Castle drops are as good on Black Forest as on Arena, and it is a big reason why I dislike Arena very much.
I as a 900-1000 elo player like variety. Booming and fighting with Castle-Imperial age armies is one thing I like, but I also like some aggressive maps. For example Greenland seems like an open map with tons of free food, great for dark age-feudal age aggression. I’m looking forward to play this map as well as Black Forest.
What I like are maps with something special that I can use strategically to my advantage. But this speciality can be about anything not just booming. On the other hand Arabia and Arena just bore me, because it is just standard.
As a 900-1000 player myself I have to say this is far from being true. For sure, you have more people having little to no Feudal fights or fighting in Feudal forever but nowdays, the average 900 player actually knows what to do.
Black forest has more agression then arabia nowdays. Whoever brings knights to battlefield quicker then his opponent wins arabia. Black forest is not like that, vil fights, tower rushes, mangonel pushes, unique units, sneak vils. There are tons of different actions in bf while arabia is all about ‘’ capture the hills, kill the vils’'.
Totally agree. As a Team Game Only Player I am exactly who you are describing.
BF is a non competitive map but a safe map for clowns, so most arena and even arab players would vote for it cause it is much easier to play and it is not a 100% civ win like 4 lakes or watermaps.
Counterpoint: BF can be hyper aggressive (especially in teamgames, though not applicable here) or very passive, allowing for more strategies to be played than your standard Arabia build orders.
FC UU is a viable play on BF as well, but with the very fast paces meta of right now doesn’t happen on Arabia any more. Therefore, BF is more strategic than Arabia is due to how many different strategies can be played on the map.
Intrinsically more skillful. ;p
he doesn’t mean ALL 900 elo players. He tries to imply that a LOT of sub 1000 elo players just vote maps like this which don’t make any sense for 1v1.
This guy gets it. Never in the history of Arabia has there ever been vills fights, tower rushes, mangonel pushes, or unique units used.
how could you be more wrong?
tower wars with vil fighting was pretty common for a long time, especially with inca
mangonel pushes have never been used? have you seen Hoang? it’s also the main way to punish cuman 2TCs boom
no unique units? hindustanis play ghilman whenever they can. vikings try to go for zergs when they hit imp.
custillier, leicai, mangudai, war wagon, conqs, genoese crossbow, imp camel, camel archer, organ gun, rattan archer, houfnice, obuch are all units you are likely to see if the game goes late.
plumed archers also used to be the go-to unit for maya, so much for ‘never int he history of arabia’. utter BS
i really hope this is sarcasm
I guess the joke went over your head xD
i did suspect it was sarcastic, but this forum rarely fails to disappoint
Well, I boom no matter where I am, even on arabia. Towers and defensive castles help me live. Sometimes, I sneak my vils over to a secluded woodline and watch the scouts run around confused.