While 5 hussars costs exactly same as 10 musk, so no problem with saying musk counter Huss. You are just drawing an irrelevant comparison
While I see your point, no pop limit is a big buff and does make a difference, its hard to fairly put that into the equation as all civs get different buffs in certain ways.
Also, in question is how many skirm does it actually take to kill 5 bow rider. sure 10:5 wins, but that about 7:5? only 1 needs to be left standing to really count these resources.
10 muskets vs 5 bow riders. 10 muskets one shots a bow rider and fire instantly. so before the bow riders fire there’s now 4 bow riders vs 10 muskets. 4 bow riders do 80 dmg, taking one musket down to half health. the bow riders delay means their second shot is actually after the muskets second shot, now theres 3 bow riders, which do 60 damage to the half health musket, leaving it with 10 hp, then killing it 1.5 seconds later. now it is 3 bow riders vs 9 muskets.
please continue to explain to a 15 year veteran of this game how to beat bow riders
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10 musk is more expensive than 5 BR. Do you not know how much is a bow rider? It is simple to check. If BR is 200 res cost it is totally fine
yes 3 to 9 definitely favors the lakota player /s
same thing happens with skirms except you pick off that first bow from 20 range, meaning you get even more time before the bows return fire. skirms are expensive per pop because they are a premium counter-unit with long range. wait until you find out about equal cost muskets vs skirms if you don’t use range advantages
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You should see what happens when muskets engage in melee with bow riders. Since range doesn’t seem to matter to you.
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Just play china, ckn + repelling volley and BR just melt.
heck any china mass and BR melts.
Yeah but then axe riders counter like 90% of china’s roaster.
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There are pikes, swords, keshik…and those units have to be made together. So it’s hard for Chinese to not make anti cav
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China is really strong after the buff and really fun to play
mass xbow pike + british consulate should eat up anything lakota can comeup with in age2.
German consulate dopps if you want to get fancy.
There used to be a meme build for china against the axe rider opening which was to just send mongolian scourge as the first age 2 card and mass mongolian army from the castle. Lakota cant raid due to castle and keshiks while china can counter raid with age 2 orpi that takes half damage from war hut and tc fire
That could maybe work with the new consulate card but before that, no.
No, china will not age up fast enough. By the time they finish their age 2 wonder and start building the castle, the lakota will already have axe riders in their base and a constant flow from there on. Axe rider + a bunch of bow riders will deal with pretty much everything china can throw at them.
OFC, if the lakota derps in their base, then yeah, that meme build could work.
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I would like to add that GUARD cav archers only have 23 dmg every 1.5 seconds, compared to BR in age TWO which do 20 dmg per 1.5 seconds.
Bow riders are BROKEN
Now compared to the worst ranged cav in game Keshik…keshik is a joke
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ah but what if you have ur castle up before you age up? you can build a castle in age 1 you know
if you want a more pro version of the idea, mitoe has done a china dynasty FI into keshiks against lakota. Lakota has a very hard time against massed keshiks
edit: its the game above when you click the link
eh keshiks some of the most powerful and cost effective range cav in the game. they are even more effective then ryuters.
Like compared to BR for pop for pop, keshiks only have 2 less attack but better multi vs cav,(not counting mongolian scourge) HP wise only 2.5 HP difference with 30 range armour.
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Yeah pop for pop true but the thing is 2 Keshik is more expensive than 1 BR. BR is 100f 75c, 2 Keshik are 230 f.
bruh you know food is radically faster gathering than coin right?
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Food gathers faster, also german consulate reduce food cost by 15%
But you can’t make Keshik alone…they comes together with some other wood or gold unit so it is not pure food actually. The cost of keshik is just an estimate