Byzantines should be given Bloodlines or Blast Furnace!

[ProdMirus]

I mean, you’re right to some extent, but the fact is that the developers did sometimes resort to adjusting tech trees for balance concerns.

Sometimes the simplest solution works. Sometimes the easy way out is the realest.

We’re both coming here from the ideals of game improvement in the best way possible.

[CagyUnicycle330]

@xXxVladMasterxD

And i know its stupid, but they should be given Masonry as an option, since bonus HP doesn’t give bonus damage armor, so for a lot of attacks bulding with architecture fall slower than Byzantine buildings (the DEFENSIVE civ).

I disagree with you on this.

#1. Their buildings fall easier to melee units, not to siege. They get their HP buffs for free.
#2. They have been given treadmill crane

@xXxVladMasterxD

I think they should get Blast Furnace so you can have generic infantry in the late game as a good option, also paladins and hussars that don’t absolutely blow chunks.

I kind of get you here but I have a better idea

@xXxVladMasterxD

Bloodlines is a good option to give, but that would just push the players to stick in castle age longer (also camels would become a very worth spam, regardless of the enemy units).

YES. Give them bloodlines but in a different way. Logistica tech gives +20 or even +30 HP to all mounted units along with trample damage to cataphracts. So, they are incentivized to go to the imperial age.

Note : giving them +20 HP means they will still lose to a generic Paladin or generic Heavy Camel or generic Hussar 100% of the time since they lack blast furnace.

@xXxVladMasterxD

What’s the point of having many options to your unit composition if they aren’t even generic?

Exactly? What is the point of a ‘late game’ civilization if you can’t even produce fully upgraded units except for archers?

Infantry lacks blast furnace. The spear line and skirmisher discount is irrelevant in the late game.

In the stable, they got Paladins, Hussars and heavy camels which appears to be as good as a Persian stable but in reality, they lack bloodlines and blast furnace.

Compare this with other late game versatile civilizations like the Spanish for example: Everything from a Spanish barracks is better than its equivalent from a Byzantine barracks. Same for stables.

As for archery ranges, the Spanish lack any upgrades for the archer line but their heavy cavalry archer (nobody uses this) and hand cannoneers are better. As for the Siege workshop, they got the same techs but the faster firing gunpowder units affects their cannons which again makes their siege slightly better. Their monks are maybe slightly better (but not by much).

[MatCauthon3]

Did you reallh need to necro a thread thats been dead 9 months?

[PlumpDucklin]

@MatCauthon3

Did you reallh need to necro a thread

Clearly Byzantines really need that +30hp on all cav

So it had to be necro’d. Just had to

[SirWiedreich]

A small price to pay for such infinite wisdom.

[PanCalvus]

@MatCauthon3

Berbers don’t have paladins. Or cataphracts.

Or halberdier. (Which is to say: I agree.)

The Byzantines are good because they have so many options, they don’t need any one option (cheap camels in this example) to be the absolute best.

Edit: O sorry, old thread.

[HeBroGaming]

@PanCalvus

need any one option (cheap camels in this example) to be the absolute best.

Yes totally agree. Byz used to be Jack of all trades for countering thats why it is so good at defending