Changing Madrasah

I know other units have regen I mean specifically too strong with the bonuses saracens already have to give them existing unique tech for free civ bonus(would actually be used not a problem by itself) and then add a regen rate tech for knights too without nerfing something

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I said i have two suggestions, so just pick one not both of them, if they gave them the Arabian horse then they will remove Madrasah

On the contrary, it is very hard to micro archers vs halbs & huskarls, as Goths tend to make a LOT of them, and both halbs and huskarls have (huge) bonuses against hussars and arbalest.
I don’t have the numbers for Saracen, but Magyar have FU hussars + 15% discount + FU arbalest, and they still lose 68% of the time against goths.
Indians and Berbers, both camels civs, lose against Goths 75% and 71% of the time. I really don’t think a SMALL bonus on them against infantry would change the face of the world, especially since halberdier will still stay very cost effective against them !! It would be only very situational, not universal as you claim.


Those videos are a proof that vs cavalry, goth halb are among the most cost-effectives ones.
In a game where snowball effect is very important, the 33% infantry discount helps a lot, in many situations much more than +1/+2 armor.

I’m very curious about your current 1v1 rank.

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I am unranked, because I stopped playing online except against friends. Does not mean I still do not know about balance.


Oh, I thought you meant that the two suggestions were to be used together, sorry, I think the gold refund as civ bonus would not be horribly OP, horse regen might be pushing it for them because they are not horrible to begin with unless you take some other part of civ away still, and that is a lot of changes, I think OP was more looking for still somewhat useless bonus that has some situational value in a certain specific scenario that could happen and not a general bonus that applies to all games

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Look here Interesting ideas about the Saracens

I wrote an interesting topic about changing Saracens team bonus and UT

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What about if gives monasteries the ability to garrison monks (all what you want, not only when you train them)?


How would you use this? To put monastery forward and convert then garrison monks while recharging faith bar or for some other purpose?

Nah it is useless man

Madrasah pays for itself after a couple monks die and since monks are hard to micro it becomes useful after a while. Whenever I play as a monk civ I lose 40% of my monks on the battlefield to scouts and archers.


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You never pushed with monks?

Yeah i used monks but i mean garrison is not a good thing at all and not worthy for a UT

I normally see no purpose to research it if I play Saracen, but by the time I make a castle I am starting to phase out using monks and do not have many left alive, you need to have 3 to break even and 4 to make a gold profit from it, but I also do not normally place a castle right when I reach castle age and delay it, instead make TCs

Ok, with some other buff focus in buff the monk push maybe

There was a tech for this in AoE I called sacrifice which would give an instant conversion upon deleting a monk but it was very expensive and difficult, and because of that nobody ever got it.

Monks are still useful in the late-game for Saracens because of the Mameluke’s high cost. And you need all the gold you can get to keep them alive so they can fend off cavalry.

It is a very stong strategy and it doesn’t need a buff. But they could make a Wololo themed event for AoE II: DE.

To be fair, magyars lack a proper counter to late game goths. They lack hand cannoneers, they have champions without plate armor (same as goths, but much more expensive since they have no discount) and are basically forced to rely on heavy scorps against massed infantry, which are clunky and expensive to use. A mixed infantry flood of huskarls and halbs (plus champs if needed) cant counter everything magyars have.

So spending +100 gold with Mamelukes 85 gold cost will fix the problem?! Man, Mamelukes need actually to reduce their gold cost and Madrasah need to be replaced. Interesting ideas about the Saracens

Look i made an interesting topic about this you would like to see

Magyars have a full Blacksmith, they just lack squires.