Civilization Idea: the Dians/Bo/Baipu (2023 Update)

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@DynasticPlanet5

Look to veer away from too much history as we remember this is a GAME… the biggest issue I have is that both UTs are team buffs instead pf helping the civ itself stand on its own

The UU is just too weak. As anti cav id rather use pikes save my gold and not get flattened by Onagers before killing a bunch of horses unlike the Genoese xbow which not only has a higher base damage and cav bonus, it also fires faster and has no min range.

This unit… see the problem with min range anti cav is that unlike archers cavalry are FAST and close gaps! For skirmishers specially trained to murder archers they dont want to try cheeky get under your min range strata because they’re slow and getting brutally slaughtered which when paired with low health favors the skirmisher.

For cavalry? Min range! Not only will thry outrun the javelins because theyre fast they will trade cost effectively because they will force so much repositioning micro. Its just not worth training. The 1.25 movespeed is the only saving grace but you need to stand still eventually and knights will outrun it. Missing the last archer armor is painful though for a supposed arrow soak but unlike Goths this unit has a low base pierce armor AND bracer. Who cares if their archers are fast when they have no range to do anything!?

It’s a game for sure, but it’s a game based on history. Hence we cannot completely veer off from history and create a chimerical unit.

I don’t think this UU would be outright flattened by Onagers, since they have a speed advantage and can easily outmaneuver the Onagers. Unless you use them as sitting ducks to soak up the damage, which isn’t their purpose. The civ has other units for that role, such as their Cavaliers, Hussars, Battle Elephants, and even their 2nd UU the infantry mode of the Raeuz Tribesman.

Either removing their min range or giving them a slightly higher bonus against Cavalry (like +3 / +4 when elite for instance) would do, no need to make other changes otherwise the UU would be too strong.