Community Balance

[Aisharp]

@Kingfisher1787

Absolutely an epic thread

This one?

Ottomans are in Desparate Need of a Buff

I’ve been sharing some insights in other threads, but I think it’s time for a separate thread to discuss all the issues with the ottoman civ. The ottomans are such a difficult, micro intensive civ to play. Look at the stats, it’s driving players into lower elo’s because of how difficult it is to play: [image] So what’s wrong? Their best unit, Sipahi, are difficult to get and locked behind shipments. Their villagers train automatically, but what about fishing boats? Abus guns fire a mini ca…

[Kingfisher1787]

That’s the one exactly! Thanks! I’ve got it bookmarked now

[TheLiberator236]

Yep Ottos should be nerfed accordingly!

[EricTheRed283]

Abus Guns had 18 range with ranged attack in the old game I think they should of remained like that in DE.

Azap should have 12 range to start and gaining some more range from upgrades.

[OperaticShip743]

Yes, and it was very weak in the late game. The change to 22 range is nice. It costs 2 population and is also expensive.

[M00Z1LLA]

Added a bunch of new stuff:

Bottoman Balance

Now updated to bring some extra flavour to some previously under powered cards and techs. Overall mod changes are summarized below: Units & Buildings Abus Gunner -‎ Removed light cavalry ranged multiplier -‎ Changed melee multiplier to all cavalry Azap -‎ Reduced range by 2 Humbaraci -‎ Reduced range to 12 -‎ Reduced speed to 4.25 -‎ Reduced ranged attack to 17, melee attack to 26, siege attack to 42 -‎ Reduced artillery multiplier to x1.5 Deli -‎ +5 food cost Bashibozuk -‎ Reduce…

Lots of it is flavour and improving underpowered cards rather than strictly balance. Some highlights:

• Cows are now available by default in age 3 but are more expensive. Ranching reduces their cost.
• Grenade Launchers is now an age 4 tech enabled via Advanced Arsenal. The card now grants the veteran upgrade. Civs without Grenadiers still need the card to enable them. This does affect Soldados so further adjustments to Mexico and Spain will be needed.
• Rebalanced and renamed Line Infantry and Royal Huntsmen. Royal Huntsmen no longer “upgrade” to Royal Hunters.
• Russia now has 1 big starting crate. This actually helps by a surprising amount.
• Lots of improvements to various cards and techs.

[M00Z1LLA]

Finally got done with the next update. Changes are mostly focused on mercenaries. Age 5 Mercenary Contractor increases their cost slightly. Most instances of mercenaries enabled in production buildings are instead enabled in a standalone Mercenary Camp building. Asians now have better mercenary upgrades. All civs have a technology to replace their mercenary roster with new ones. Overview of changes is below:

Bottoman Balance

Finally got done with the next update. Changes are mostly focused on mercenaries. Age 5 Mercenary Contractor increases their cost slightly. Most instances of mercenaries enabled in production buildings are instead enabled in a standalone Mercenary Camp building. Asians now have better mercenary upgrades. All civs have a technology to replace their mercenary roster with new ones. Overview of changes is below: Units & Buildings European Fauna Improved localization of names on European maps. Car…

[TheLiberator236]

Yooooo!
Nice work indeed
BTW, any update on this

[M00Z1LLA]

Nothing new at the moment. For now I’ve shifted back to working on my map mod because its an order of magnitude more popular. I’m trying to make some custom natives for that, but I’m not very proficient at doing the textures so it is pretty slow going as I learn.

But there are more things I want to add to this one, so I’d like to pick it back up once I’m done with the next map.

[FiveWind6951746]

I really like Bottoman, so I’m relieved you still have ideas for it.

Thank you for all the work you put into it so far. Rather dismaying it isn’t more popular.

[OperaticShip743]

I wish they’d set a strict speed limit for infantry. There are some really annoying situations where even cavalry can’t handle it, especially in situations involving heavy infantry.