Can we have a civilization that represents Southern States of America?
Would be cool to fight American Civil War in AoE3.
Perhaps a Home City Card or a Revolution Technology that converts the Civilization?
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I agree that the American Civil War is a major event worth covering within the game’s timeframe, however, inb4 the lock
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Maybe CSA can have Mexican styled Plantations/ Hacienda but with non Elite American Military Units? Kind of a midway between USA and Mexico.
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Man I think the importance of the confederates is so exagerated and the need to have them represented everywhere sucks
Sure, a home city card and revolution could be done, but first we should get the Heavenly Kingdom.
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Yeah, adding CSA will surely help destigmatize AoE3 which has plagued it since the beginning.
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The United States Civil War happens so freaking late in the game’s period anyways. Like the United States as a civ is already pushing it, but the CSA would be so gratuitous for absolutely no benefit.
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Some revolutions from MĂ©xico lasted longer in real life than the confederacy. Agents of SHIELD lasted longer than the confederacy. If that pathetic excuse of a medieval country deserves to be in the game, at most it should be a revolution.
I mean, there are plenty of games in which you play as the nazis. And there are some in which you can play as the confederates. For some reason, people like to play as the losers.
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Duration of existence and global impact are often distinct. The República de Yucatán lasted for 8-ish years as a functionally independent nation and fought several battles with Mexico and the Maya Cruzobs while independent (and were blockaded by the USA for a time as well). However, the number of casualties in all that fighting during their independence are not significant in comparison to the 1 million+ deaths often referenced regarding the American Civil War which lasted only 4 years. That’s just one reason why it sticks out in history as a very major event, and why battles during the Civil War received so much global attention back then and depictions of them are still so commonplace today.
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Well in those games they focus on the military and rarely ever give you any focus on labor camps or holocaust or racial programmes. tbh i think there are mediums where the confederacy or us civil war in general can work as a focus. one of my favorite games is the old “robert e lee civil war” which focuses on the eastern theatre battles. The tactics, innovations, and multiple theatres of combat im not against showcasing nor do i want to delete this part of history
I just cant see how given aoe3 works and how economy is key you can find ways to showcase this outside of scenarios or maybe a acard or 2 without getting into the muck that was the moral quagmire and econonic backbone. Hell confederates struggled to get any good PR irl during the war and its hasnt improved 150 years later. This and i dont think the game is so deep tactically that you can really showcase the civil war. as @HoopThrower pointed out the civil war is at the end of the era and already things like railines, infantry tactics, naval changes etc arent really prominent in aoe3.
I think my stance would simply be: trying to add the confederacy as a mainline feature is way to much muck for little pay off. its not like the usa isnt unique enough. I can see a card or reference here and there added down the road being fine, but I also wholly understand that its probably not capable in aoe3 to respectfully address this time in history while also making it not just reskinned age4 usa with more gimmicks. Again, we already sidestepped plantations how could you showcase CSA then?
Also as I’ve said many times but I might be biased because I was there when WoL opened up pandoras box by making CSA a core feature of usa in their mod. and boy did it bring out the edgelords to the point they largely reworked it.
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No. Just no. Absolutely not.
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Doesn’t the time period for AOE3 end about 1850?
What is the official time period?
Why, what does the CSA add as a civ to the game? In a game that lacks many African, South American and Asian civs that had a much more lasting impact in the world, why do you think the CSA is that worthy to add as a civ? What roster, what mechanics, what cards would it have that would make them distinct from the US civ? Zouaves are already a merc unit, everything else would be too generic to add.
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Well the game includes ironclads from the Civil War so it definitely ends after that.
The vid’s a good summary but in even shorter terms, yes. The Civil War basically directly led to the massive French invasion of Mexico of 1862-1867 and European “volunteers” from all over joined the fight in America (in large part to gain modern military experience and keep troops supplied and in active condition for cheap, as was done in other major conflicts as well). An interesting statistic is that up to 700,000 combatants in the Civil War were not born in the United States, and an interesting anecdote is that one German Union general had to have his orders translated into 8 different languages to pass down the chain of command. The Civil War also had large reverberating effects on the global economy.
In addition, the Western holdings of the United States were completely crippled due to the Civil War and the tribes that were independent from the USA gained back massive swathes of territory. This led pretty much directly to the large-scale “Indian Wars” of the late 1800s, including the Great Sioux War of 1876 which the in-game Lakota civilization is almost entirely based on (and that conflict also features in the in-game campaign).
Now don’t get me wrong though, I don’t particularly care if the American Civil War gets represented in AoE3. But the argument that it was irrelevant does not hold water.
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In terms of timescale, It’s a blip it barely existed.
Not worth even thinking about.
5 seconds of history…America isn’t the centre of the universe.
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Yes. But as long as they’re not an option, I suggest checking out mods.
The irony is most of the time when I see people suggest CSA they aren’t even American.
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I didn’t know that. That’s interesting.
The stuff about volunteers and indian wars is something that only affected the US, but the French invasion of Mexico and the global economic impact are stuff that did affect the planet.
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Pretty sure the Boxer rebellion is the last thing included
If it was added it would need to be a revolt or federal state. Better yet a few card references to the civil war or CSA. It should not be a full civ.
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