Figures. You’re an “insider”.
I’m sorry. Are you accusing me of faking that?
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no, I saw, hover myself.It is here, but what you made believe that they were creating an ENTIRE chinese campaign. 3 png images, that could be used or not ?
I admit, there is big chance of medieval chinese campaing being in development at one point. But it doesnt mean 3K are not for the main game
Because the Three Kingdoms DLC is a mess. The Khitan and Jurchen civs have nothing to do with the Three Kingdoms theme, and one is a chimerical mess, with neither even having voicelines. That reeks of “we didn’t finish this other thing, slap it together”.
The Shu, Wu & Wei are not civs, unlike every other civ in the game, as they are based on polities rather than cultures. However, there are sort of three that are…the Athenians, the Spartans and the Achaemenids.
The formatting of the art and level images is the same. The artstyle of the character profiles is not like the 3D images used for every non-Battle for Greece hero.
It is exceptionally similar
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…I think I am starting to lose my mind here.
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Bruh, stop it already, you are embarrassing yourself
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I think it was a miss opportunity to tell the 3K story/campaigns in a Chronicles way.
They surely deserved.
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If 3 Kingdoms was supposed to he Chronicles then why do they reuse Chronicles civ bonuses instead of base game civ bonuses?
Something something, no one is as blind like the man that doesn’t want to see or whatever.
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No civs are reusing bonuses from civs from same game mode.What kind of logic do you use,people ? You think they planned to sell civs at same game mode with 1:1 bonuses ? So ypu can build houses at 200% and etc. ? There using bonuses from Chronicles because they were unused in main game. Thats it. Is that lazy ? Yes. Does this somehow prove 3K civs being Chronicles ? I dont think so
I don’t think that 3 Kingdoms was ever supposed to be part of Chronices.
Which doesn’t mean it might have been planned it’s own spin off at some point in development.
- Chronicles is made by the Capture Age team. It’s their baby. Why should a Forgotten Empires DLC be forced into it?
- The 3 Kingdoms reuse civ/team bonuses from Chronicles and not from the base game. It would be very strange to reuse a bonus if you want to be in the same civilisation set.
- They use AoE2 unit sprites and building sprites
- They only have 2 unique technologies
- No gimmicky civilisation mechanic (Heros don’t count because they are very late game)
- Use the AoE2 techtree, AoE2 Infantry upgrades and access to Petards
- Using Chronicles style UI doesn’t proof anything. Why shouldn’t all new campaigns be using the new design capabilities from now on?
- The new Hero units reuse the same Auras as the Spartan Polemarch. Attack speed, movement speed and HP regeneration.
This obviously doesn’t mean you have to like the 3 Kingdoms. That also doesn’t mean I like them.
I just think it’s unlikely that they were planned to be part of Chronicles.
They just simply made something they thought we would like but, well we don’t. It was a miscalculation on their end.
No conspiracy needed.
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Wait,I think you were trying argument for opposite point of view. I really cofused at this point
My 2 main arguments against it ever being part of Chronicles are:
- Copies things from Chronicles civs
- Doesn’t use general Chronicles mechanics
Thanks for clarifying what WPFUI stands for.
They may or may not have intended this for Chronicles, or a fourth mode available in the main menu. In any case they’ll use technology that Chronicles introduced to the game, including the ability to bring stuff from one scenario to the next.
It’s understandable that this DLC polarises, with civs for ranked play that are named after short-lived 3rd century kingdoms instead of peoples, and two campaign-less medieval civs that kinda feel like tacked on, and still no campaign for OG Chinese. There is a strong indication that there was a “change of course”, also implied by separate “China” and “Peru” flags. But in the end, we can only speculate, they’ll probably never tell us.
But, if they should reconsider (unlikely) and turn TTK into something (partly) separated like Chronicles, what kind of mode would it be? Something for campaigns based on legendary figures like King Arthur, Hua Mulan and the heroes of the Nibelungen, with limited amounts of the supernatural? Given that TTK is indeed based on Romance of the Three Kingdoms, which mixes history with legends and fiction.
EDIT: Okay, I actually read the FAQ, the 14th-century novel really IS used as a reference.
If you look at the game files the “normal” dlcs, the dlcs not their own “mode” are numbered and referenced that way.
So TMR is dlc4 for example. there’s a dlc 4 folder. Same with DotD, DoI, V&V etc.
RoR and BfG are their own “modes” and are referenced using their project code names. Paphos and Pompeii.
So had this been a regular dlc the expectation is the references would be for a dlc 5 or 7. even tho tmr is 4, v&v is 6, which makes it look like there was a dlc 5 that’s been in the works for a while. maybe it got canned. hard to say. but that’s where 5 OR 7 comes from.
Had this been intended to be it’s own mode, more like BfG, we’d expect the codename naming convention.
What we see is this dlc is named Peru in the game files which is consistent with the “mode” naming convention.
I guess, anything COULD be the case, but I think of the primary hypotheses
- This started as something chronicles-esque and later got jerry rigged and conglomerated into a seemingly normal-ish dlc
- this started as a normal dlc but they decided to throw away their naming convention they’ve been using for 5 years across multiple studios just for the lolz
I think it’s far more likely this started as something chronicles-esque.
Also the “but chronicles is capture age therefore FE can’t…” argument i’ve been seeing around is silly. The chronicles code is MS intellectual property, not CAs.
If tomorrow MS wanted FE, Wicked Witch, Tantalus, or myself to make the next chronicles, that’d be their purview and CA wouldn’t have anything to say about it.
Yeah, I get it, it seems kinda dumb to sing the praises of CA and the new chronicles format one dlc, then “take” it from them the next, but there’s nothing stopping WE from doing just that.
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I see many people saying the files in the WPFUI folder is proof that 3k was in chronicles, but for me is only proof that the devs liked the menu UI in Battle for Greece that they decided to use the same framework for the 3k campaigns, and maybe even for future campaigns. Also yes, the files in said folder are just .xaml and .png files, no cam.aoe2campaign nor any kind of audio file in there.
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OP is World’s Edge employee. This is their tactic instead of fixing it.
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Can’t wait until May 6th when all questions will be answered!
