Donjon ≠ Barrack

Age of Empires II: DE II - Discussion
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if u make donjon at dark age, maybe this will count as one of the two buildings for the transition? Similar to the mechanics of Cumans

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It already counts as age up building, doesn’t it?

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I believe it counts as a Feudal age building. Won’t help with advancing to feudal, but does help with advancing to castle age.

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But if u play at cumans and make siege workshop at Feudal u can up to Castle age.
I think we need to bring it to a unified mechanics

5

But you can build a donjon plus blacksmith/market/range/stable and advance to castle without needing a barracks

6

True, but it hinders some strategies.
if i want play 18 pop with donjon and lumber camp , i can’t do it, i need make mining camp/mill.

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I’m no expert in regards with Sicilian meta but what’s the point of 18 pop without mining and mill? Sounds like a disaster eco to me. I do advocate reducing wood cost of the donjon though

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(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIlr99Yiq6Y&t=45s)
This strategy helped me in the range of 1600-1800 and I think that in this case it could be improved, since the Donjon greatly reduces the amount of wood production for 2 archery range.
But i use archery + blacksmith for early rush at solo ranked

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tbh I don’t see a strategic point in a premill donjon + range build you will run out of food super fast.
you can make a premill archer rush with many civs way better than sicilians if you want to play this style, but you won’t exceed a certain elo with it

I think it’s fine as it is currently.

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I have 4 arguments about the archers of the Sicilian. But first, there is enough food, especially if we play conditional Arabia and not just eat our deer/chicken, but also neutral ones

  1. Bows receive less damage from skirmishes, instead of 3/4 we will receive 2/3(2,6(6)), which makes our archers something like Vietnamese archers
  2. Donjon costs less wood, and stone is enough to put 2 town centers. This helps us not to think about all in
  3. frequent opening of high-ranking players on Gujars or Hindus began to go through the archers range, why not try on Sicilian
  4. Donjon save our gold/wood
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I think you will still have subpar builds compared to civs like

Tatars
Italians
Lithuanians
Mongols
Ethiopians
Georgians
Goths
Shu
…

I see no point in changing up a mechanic that is actually useful in builds where a civ excels only to get something worse than already existing builds of other civs, really. Sicilians isn’t designed to be a premill archer rush civ.
The current age-up mechanic is actually very useful for a lot of sicilian builds.

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donjon counts as neither a dark age nor a feudal building

it counts as a tower

towers and outposts dont unlock age up, so neither does donjon

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