Dutchs

[HaiKamm55174679]

@NearbyDrake3062

When they are almost unbeatable. Dutch don’t feel unbeatable

Well, it decent hands they are unbeatable. Mb Japan can coope with em, but they are also kinda OP. Since like realy of AD lol

[EliteRiflemann]

Again, in my personal experience, smothering them at their base was really helpful, but now there are 2 problems. The first is that since Dutch received the gold collection upgrade, they have not had so many problems completing their boom, going up to fortress and leaving their base without problems. Before the buff, I used to suffocate them at their bases and it was almost always gg, now I try the same, it’s impossible.
The second problem is that several African maps that came out now, allow the Dutch to have more resources and stay longer in their 2x2 square, which makes it even more difficult to suffocate them at their base. That’s why I think it’s a good idea to take away that collection bonus of gold, and if you don’t like it, you have to weaken the banks or take out the skirmishes, there has to be some way to punish Dutch.

[KEVINITALIEN670]

this thread is completely nonsense lol, dutch the most broken civ in the game xD

[Moonshadow7475]

@ToroidalLeaf69

This whole concept of “you are forced to rush” is quite a exaggeration. Ok, some civilizations like Aztecs can beat Dutch via a rush, but they can also be defeat through suffocation (Like against Russians and Indians), age 3 timings (Spain, British and Russia) or by straight out outbooming Dutch (Portugal and China can do it)

Since I am the one who brought up rushes as a counter, I should probably point out that by rush, I mean any kind of timing a civ can do. Sure not everyone can do an age2 timing like aztecs can, but an age3 timing with 2 falcs is something I also consider a rush.

But you surely need to delay their banks. I just ended a dutch with lakota and tokala timings in age3, they could not do anything against tokala+axe rider+rifle rider.

[Valagos2]

@ToroidalLeaf69

Rushes don’t really work well against Dutch. They are much more vulnerable to age 3 timings, specially with 2 falconets, since they don’t have 2 falconets of their own to counter it.

Fair point, I guess my choice of words was rather poor. I personally tend to view FFs as just another type of rush since you usually don’t build but minimal infrastructure behind it, and only the most advanced players can transition to a macro game if the initial FF push with the falcs fails or stalls.

In all fairness, I do find Dutch and most boomy civs challenging, and I lose more often than not against them (I main Spanish, and use Ports as my secondary civ), but Dutch are not my black beast. That title goes hands down to Swedes, although I haven’t played much since the last patch due to technical problems with my laptop, so I am not aware how deeply have they been hit by the latest round of nerfs.

[EliteRiflemann]

TY DEVS!

[OperaticShip743]

How is Holland now? It’s always hard for me to beat Holland, but not if it’s OP, or I’m very bad XD.

[EliteRiflemann]

They are more “defeatable” now, also as long as they have a skirmish with 20 range available in commercial age they will always be OP.

Curiously, before the 20% pickup buff high level players and a significant part of this beautiful forum argued that dutch was not competitive, after all, not only were the main buffs reverted, but Dutch was further nerfed compared to before.

Now dutch is not as popular as before, but we can say that he is balanced.

[OperaticShip743]

@EliteRiflemann

They are more “defeatable” now, also as long as they have a skirmish with 20 range available in commercial age they will always be OP.

I think this is why one is forced to go ‘fast to fortresses’, because rushing rarely works. Wall of banks and houses and you don’t even need boobies.

[OriginalKnot717]

Dutch are fine right now since the recent nerfs I think, before they were far too strong.