# EAPM (Effective Actions per Minute) & ELO List **URL:** \ **Category:** II - Discussion\ **Created:** [November 22, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/eapm-effective-actions-per-minute-elo-list/109200 "2020-11-22T20:18:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AlexDr73](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@AlexDr73](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/AlexDr73)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/eapm-effective-actions-per-minute-elo-list/109200/21 "2020-11-24T12:54:16Z")
I wasn’t looking at which tc was imping and he destroyed it. I thought "oh good, extra res for camels and when I went for a treb it donned on me that i was still castle and no res for imp…Weirdly, it seems like my eAPM is at least 30-40 on each game but i still lose some…But that’s not a good milestone for level of gameplay ---
**Author:** ![AlexDr73](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@AlexDr73](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/AlexDr73)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/eapm-effective-actions-per-minute-elo-list/109200/22 "2020-11-24T13:05:21Z")
@AoE2Insights Is there a way to gather the average eAPM on a number of matches? ---
**Author:** ![AoE2Insights](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/aoe2insights/32/61875_2.png) [@AoE2Insights](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/AoE2Insights)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/eapm-effective-actions-per-minute-elo-list/109200/23 "2020-11-24T14:46:15Z")
> This is very interesting; so based on that graph, this game ([Patches O'Houlihan vs AlexDr73 - ranked RM 1v1 - Age of Empires 2 - AoE2 Insights](https://www.aoe2insights.com/match/49792794/analysis/)) and the eAPM, i should be way above the 1150 that I am now I don’t think this is a valid conclusion. If you look at the scatter plot at 40 EAPM from left to right, you will see there is a wide range of common ratings. Also as stated before by [breeminator](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/breeminator), EAPM is far from determining the outcome of a game. > Is there a way to gather the average eAPM on a number of matches? At the moment there is no possibility to do so, apart from calculating the mean by yourself. Since analyzing a game is a quite expensive task, we are unfortunately not able to analyze every game to be able to provide such a user statistics. ---
**Author:** ![UprightAtol98](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/uprightatol98/32/29637_2.png) [@UprightAtol98](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/UprightAtol98)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/eapm-effective-actions-per-minute-elo-list/109200/24 "2020-11-24T15:15:30Z")
Last games I was about 1250 1v1 Elo and didn’t even got to 15 EAPM average Apparently I am just relaxing and watching the game… 😂 ---
**Author:** ![AlexDr73](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@AlexDr73](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/AlexDr73)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/eapm-effective-actions-per-minute-elo-list/109200/25 "2020-11-24T17:00:01Z")
Thank you for the reply! No, it wasn’t a valid conclusion even when I said it 11, it was just the way the graph looked. Anyway, nicely done! ---
**Author:** ![BDSonOfOdin](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/bdsonofodin/32/52106_2.png) [@BDSonOfOdin](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/BDSonOfOdin)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/eapm-effective-actions-per-minute-elo-list/109200/26 "2020-11-24T20:14:06Z")
> [@UprightAtol98](#): > > Last games I was about 1250 1v1 Elo and didn’t even got to 15 EAPM average > > Apparently I am just relaxing and watching the game… I think you have potential mate! what map? realy mean it, you obviously have very good strategies. ---
**Author:** ![phoenix1089](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/phoenix1089/32/33841_2.png) [@phoenix1089](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/phoenix1089)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/eapm-effective-actions-per-minute-elo-list/109200/27 "2020-11-24T22:19:09Z")
That moment in time when you watch the young uns learn that apm and win rate have a correlation… > [@TohoBuWaha](#): > > 1100 elo, but 80 EAPM play I mean that’s not that high for a SC player. Especially zerg. So if some waffle is microing his 2 archers to keep his apm up but still doesn’t know a build order… Or he’s smurf. Or he has just been ranked… The possibilities… ---
**Author:** ![Guanfranco](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@Guanfranco](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Guanfranco)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/eapm-effective-actions-per-minute-elo-list/109200/28 "2020-11-25T10:23:32Z")
I’m 1150 and my EAPM is about 40-75 on this website, but its hard to understand how to average it from 1 graph. ---
**Author:** ![breeminator](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/breeminator/32/29601_2.png) [@breeminator](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/breeminator)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/eapm-effective-actions-per-minute-elo-list/109200/29 "2020-11-25T11:12:24Z")
One thing I’ve noticed is that some players spam actions that will be counted as EAPM when they aren’t really significantly affecting anything. When I mentioned this to someone, they said they liked to keep their fingers working fast, so they maintain a fast rhythm. There may be some merit in this, but it does need to be kept in mind that you can have a high EAPM while having a much lower TEAPM (Truly Effective APM). For example, spamming move commands to almost the same location will give a high EAPM, but would be a low TEAPM, with TEAPM being a hypothetical hard to rigorously define metric that nobody has implemented yet, that I’m aware. ---
**Author:** ![UprightAtol98](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/uprightatol98/32/29637_2.png) [@UprightAtol98](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/UprightAtol98)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/eapm-effective-actions-per-minute-elo-list/109200/30 "2020-11-27T23:29:45Z")
On Arabia. I play Incas 22pop MAA into Archers. I do the build order by Hera though, meaning -\> only 1 lumber camp -\> with the saved wood I can wall while going up and still build an Archery Range right away and start to produce. I send two spears forward against a knight Civ and two eagles if he has an archer Civ. Since I stay on only one Range I only need 4 on gold and can start building farms right away. This way I might lose my forward rush in late feudal Age but can hit castle Age a lot sooner then my opponent. In Castle Age I go for more aggressive military production rather then booming. I usually have 4 barracks and 2 ranges. If the opponent goes knights I go Eagles + Spears. If the Opponent goes Archers I go full Eagles. If the Opponent goes for Swordsmen I go for Slingers + Eagles. I also add an forward Siege Workshop as soon as possible. It’s been working out great for me though I think I could rank higher with more practice and more APM… ---
**Author:** ![HyunaAoE](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/hyunaaoe/32/64951_2.png) [@HyunaAoE](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/HyunaAoE)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/eapm-effective-actions-per-minute-elo-list/109200/31 "2020-12-09T23:27:52Z")
~1400 1v1 ~2500 TG EAPM Average: 55-65 ---
**Author:** ![CVS](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/cvs/32/151259_2.png) [@CVS](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/CVS)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2023, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/eapm-effective-actions-per-minute-elo-list/109200/32 "2023-09-05T05:24:14Z")
Hi @AoE2Insights could you share an updated **ELO v eAPM chart** as of today (September 2023) ? A bunch of us are trying to improve ur AoE2-DE multiplayer gameplay. We are wondering if our eAPMs are within the range for our ELOs, or if our eAPMs are low and are currenlty holding us back. Thanks in advance. [Previous page](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/eapm-effective-actions-per-minute-elo-list/109200.md?page=1)