These are great suggestions, hope the devs would really add the Swahilis because of their uniqueness and potential. And hopefully the quality of campaigns will continue to improve. 
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Not every bonus needs to be hyper historical. Sometimes a Khmer person can walk into a house and you cant.
I appreciate the feedback. Let me respond to each point.
40% is way too close to both the Briton and Bulgarian bonuses for comfort. I left it at 25% because unlike them, you’re saving two resources, not just one, so it’s half the discount they’d get to compensate. 40% is basically both bonuses combined, which is way too strong.
I feel like that overlaps with the Vietnamese and Bulgarians too much.
Yes, LOS bonuses tend to be not that useful except for scouts.
The thing is, I already gave longer-lasting trees to the Polynesians, and they need it more, because all their Barracks units cost wood instead of food. On a water map, wood shortages will be common without that bonus. But applying it to fish is an interesting thought.
This is basically a narrower, more focused version of the Sicilian bonus, which is actually pretty in line with existing bonuses, so it’s worth considering.
This is a good idea, though maybe I’ll just narrow it to Monks.
Well, there are depictions of Filipino nobles riding horses and using bows, so they’re meant to be a reference to that.
Those two suggestions kinda contradict, no? But I think I know what you mean.
This sounds like a good idea.
Sounds like a good suggestion.
Oh yeah, I didn’t consider Spanish loan words. I’ll make the appropriate changes.
Unfortunately, I can’t implement all of your civ bonus suggestions, since the Filipinos have four bonuses already, but I’ll think about which ones they need the most.
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Should Filipinos get their own thread?
Probs the best way to approach it is to have them speak bisaya.
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Yeah, I agree. The Filipinos are a different topic for a different thread.
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Ok, its up to you want changes you will make, but the gist is that they would need a good eco support since they don’t have powerful military bonuses or a late game as powerful as the Turks or Bohemians. Also, if possible, better naval bonuses that can compete in 1v1 water/hybrid maps versus other strong naval civs.
Yes but this is quite rare so it would make sense they would not have good Cav archers.
The Teutons have 6 civ bonuses, why can’t you haha. You can give them up to 6, as long as its needed.
Meso civis did not have the wheel but they are ingame,pretty sure there are civilizations already ingame without a written language.
You are spreading misinformation. Many popular African civ candidates such as Somalis, Swahili, Nubians, Songhai, Kanembu and Hausa had scripts and used wheels.
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You are right about some other African civilizations. But we are talking about the Swahilis. Please read and research first before commenting.
This is blatant slander. What happened is that outside Ethiopia people didn’t get a standardized alphabet for their language. Swahili people used arabic script, same with the malagasy 'til the 19th century or so.
West Africa had this funny situation where everybody came up with their own ways of writing their languages and nobody could quite decide which one was the official one. Saying they didn’t have writing is just colonialist propaganda.
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I get the market bonus. What I mean is its strictly a subpar version of Saracens. Since they don’t get the benefit from one of the two transactions and even on the other the starting point is lower. And its a decaying bonus. Initially its of huge value. But if that doesn’t turn into a considerable lead, the civ would fall apart. Reason why even though pros use the market in ladder, pro winrate for Saracens and tournament usage have been quite low. And now they’re getting a buff to increase their camel value.
Ah I see what you mean. It could be fine given the current bonuses and tech tree of the civ. But it kind of makes the civ reliant on exploiting that advantage. I’d rather prefer a little bit better land economy and the wood discount removed from monastery.
You are right about this, the market bonus of the Saracens does best in open, aggressive land maps because that is where that is where the strategy is deadliest due to the timing. If they aren’t able to close the game, they can be outlasted by other civs, since they are gold reliant and they also don’t have a permanent eco bonus. The Swahili will have a similar main strategy but with monks instead of archers, which is to smush and to control as much relics as possible. And with the Imp Age UT, they will get more relics to give them an opportunity to outlast the opponent with their gold trickle which could range from 3-4 gold per second, amounting to 180-240 gold a minute which is quite huge. So that is the Swahili’s advantage versus the Saracens, and their game plan to compete and survive in 1v1 land maps.
Also, the Swahilis is designed to be also a great pick in water/hybrid maps and a priority pick in team games, so I think their strength on 1v1 land maps is fine. A civ cannot be too good on 1v1 Arabia, water maps, team games all at the same time, and currently many civs are like that. Given their historical background, my goal really is not make them an S-tier in land maps, rather a B, at least.
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The Somalis civilization design now posted:
Rulers of Kilwa (Zeng Empire 980-1515):
- 980-1022: Ali ibn Hassan
- 1022-1027: Ali ibn Baskhat
- 1027-1032: Daud ibn Ali
- 1032-1035: Khalid ibn Bekr
- 1035-1064: Hasan ibn Suleiman
- 1064-1090: Ali ibn Daud I
- 1090-1100: Ali ibn Daud II
- 1100-1115: Hasan ibn Daud
- 1115-1117: Suleiman the Tyrant
- 1117-1158: Daud ibn Suleiman
- 1158-1177: Suleiman al-Hasan the Great
- 1177-1180: Daud ibn Suleiman
- 1180-1181: Talut ibn Suleiman
There’s like 50 more to pick from until the beginning of the 16th century. If you wish me to provide some later ones, feel free to ask.
Source: African States and Rulers, 3D Ed. by John Stewart | Open Library.
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Thank you for this! It’s a great thing that the history of Kilwa was well documented
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