European cultures in the game, anything missing? HRE?

[Mahazona]

@MUTYLATOR5553

The campaign, the civ description and the civ dial are things that can be easily updated which would not have any impact on the entertainment.

@MUTYLATOR5553

There is nothing in this civ to refer to HRE or non-Teutonic Germans in general - except for the rulers’ names which can simply be updated, and neither is the civ shield and its description.

So anything that doesn’t support your fantasy claim is minor details that can be changed any time anything that supports it is set in stone.

[MUTYLATOR5553]

What are you talking about man?

I have argued that the Teutons civ have nothing to do with HRE except for minor details that have no bearing on entertainment what is true.

It is the same as saying that the Indians civ represents all of India where it is known that this is unreal and this civ is based solely on the Mughals.

Teutons civ are based on the Teutonic Order in 90% !!!
10% is the shield, description and names of the rulers

[TommoChocolate]

@MUTYLATOR5553

• Crenellations - this technology also refers to the Teutonic Order.

Crenellations aren’t specific to the Teutonic Order – in reality, they were used by most of the cultures represented in the game. The description is no more relevant than the civ’s history section, which you’ve dismissed as a “minor detail”.

I notice that you claim that Teutons are “based solely on the Teutonic Order”. To disprove that, one only needs to find a single feature of the civ unrelated to the Teutonic Order. I note that their Wonder has nothing to do with the Teutonic Order, having been built long before the Order was existed. Not only that, it was founded by a count of the Holy Roman Empire!

Austria and other German states such as Bavaria, Saxony, Brandenburg and the Hanseatic states were significantly different from each other. The differences between the various German regions / states are huge. If you are not interested in Germany and its culture and history, you will have the impression of a unitary, homogeneous nation, which is not true. Bavarians, Austrians, Saxons and Westfalen are separate nations with their own culture, traditions and history. They are united by the fact that they are all Germans

One could rewrite this (for example) with England in place of Germany, and Northumbria, Mercia, Wessex, Kent, East Anglia, etc. in place of your various German states – but it would be absurd to argue for separate civs for each of them, and even one new English civ would be a stretch. Why is Germany any different?

[SoleFrog1297715]

@MUTYLATOR5553 original Aoe2 classifies its civilizations as ethnicities, not dynasties/kingdoms* (what HRE is). So Teutons really represent all the Germanic peoples of central Europe, there is no need for another faction of that kind.

*There are only two exceptions in the original game: Vikings and Byzantines.
The first lacks a better-known name to represent Danes, Norwegians and Swedes (Northern or Scandinavian are not so famous); The latter really goes against the game logic in representing a multi-ethnic empire. But it’s a more than understandable exception:
(1) it’s the Roman empire!
(2) is one of the few civs to exist throughout the medieval period.