European Maps and Natives

I know there is a much-needed African expansion coming that I’m assuming will include new maps and natives. But since we have Sweden, and people are clamoring for Austria, Poland, and other Euro civs, wouldn’t it make sense to add some European maps? Like at least Finland, Karelia, Straight of Gibraltar, the Balkans etc., at least places that were historically fought over in Europe.

It’s just funny that you can revolt as Finland, Hungary, Romania and other European nations but not actually play on any maps that are set in Europe

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I was about to write a post on this with the exact same title XD.

Maps:
Black Forest (classic!)
Alps
Alpine Pass
British Isles
Baltic Sea
Rhine
Flanders
Scandinavia
Finland
Mediterranean
Gibraltar

Some of them were already in NE so they should not be very difficult.

As for natives, going for American-level resolution may be too much and not the practice since TAD. As they go for more universally applicable natives not ones that are limited to one or two maps (like Klamath), I’d consider using “mercenary camps” as European natives because (1) they can appear outside their home region (2) they have good synchronization with the existing mercenaries (3) they can “overlap” with the existing civs

Balkan mercenary camp
Unit: Klepht (skirmisher)
Has a tech that sends Stradiots

Swiss mercenary camp
Unit: Reislaufer (halberdier)
Has a tech that sends Swiss pikemen.

Scottish mercenary camp
Unit: Clansman (melee)
Has a tech that sends Highlanders.

German mercenary camp
Unit: Freikorps (skirmisher)
Has a tech that sends Landsknechts and Black Riders.

Italian mercenary camp
Unit: Pavisier (crossbowman)
Has a tech that sends Elmeti.

etc.

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personally i feel like scandinavia probably should be multiple different maps, like there are significant differences between norway, jutland and sweden.

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Would love to see the Netherlands. Don’t forget back then we were a super power. Something somewhere went terribly wrong :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Some ideas for European Natives:

Iberian:
-Basque
-Catalonians

North Atlantic:
-Irish
-Scots
-Icelandic

Western Europe:
-Swiss
-Walloons
-Flanders

Central Europe:
-Poles
-Bohemians
-Danes

Balkans:
-Romanians
-Hungarians
-Serbs
-Greeks

Italy/Mediterranean:
-Holy See
-San Marino(lol)
-Malta
-Corsica

Eastern Europe:
-Ukrainians
-Lithuanians
-Cossacks
-Georgians

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Wouldn’t these literally just be places to hire specific mercenaries reliably

And then maybe 2-3 unique techs

i think this is the first time i’ve been mentioned as central European.

regardless denmark and poland deserve to be full factions in their own right.

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I did this kinda hastily :sweat_smile:

I don’t disagree, but while that doesn’t happen, the can at least be local allies.

They’re never going to make “Natives” that are only good for one or two maps. They would all have to be something generic enough to fit most European maps. Something like the following:

Catholic Monastary

Roma (Gypsy) Caravan

Hansa Kontor

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Not necessarily, you can have many maps depicting a certain region of the world and the native don’t need to be 100% geographically accurate.

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Some of these regions were however part of other countries during that time, hence they can’t be playable civs on their own. Or do you mean npc natives?

Vikings. Replace a Icelandic.

  • Inuit

Only Swiss. Belgian revolution include Walloons and Flanders.

  • Bretons
  • Hanseatic League
  • Westfalen

Poles and Danes is potentially new civs. Bohemians only.

  • Bavarian
  • Saxons
  • Silesian

Romanians and Hungarians are revolutions. Serbs are potentially new revolution. Greeks also.

  • Croatians
  • Albanians
  • Venetians

There proposition are good for Italians civ Age Up mechanic.

  • Venetians
  • Sicilians
  • Malta

Cossacks are potentially new revolution.

  • Ruthenians
  • Hanseatic League
  • Balts

Caucasus

  • Georgians
  • Armenians
  • Circassians

New revolutions from Europe:

  • Glorious Revolution for Brits
  • Belgian
  • French Revolution
  • United Germany
  • Norwegian
  • Roman Empire :smirk:
  • Sicily
  • Czechia / or Czechoslovakia
  • Greece
  • Serbian / or Yugoslavia
  • Bulgaria
  • Cossacks

Since we already know the completely new 30 European maps and the completely new European Minor Nations, I will present you with suggestions for new novelties for this continent - which could be added along with the next European DLCs :wink:

New European maps:

Western Europe

  1. Scottish Highlands
  2. Brittany
  3. Normandy
  4. Burgundy
  5. Provence
  6. Zuiderzee
  7. Friesland
  8. Alsace–Lorraine
  9. Hanover
  10. Mecklenburg
  11. Schleswig-Holstein
  12. Brandenburg
  13. Lower Silesia
  14. Upper Silesia
  15. Bavaria
  16. West Prussia
  17. East Prussia
  18. Moravia
  19. Slovakia
  20. Austria
  21. Styria
  22. Tyrol

Southern Europe

  1. Andalusia
  2. Basque Country (greater region)
  3. Aragon
  4. Padania
  5. Sicily
  6. Tuscany
  7. Venezia
  8. Campania
  9. Carniola
  10. Croatia
  11. Dalmatia
  12. Dubrovnik
  13. Bosnia
  14. Serbia
  15. Montenegro
  16. Macedonia
  17. Albania
  18. Thessaly
  19. Peloponnese
  20. Crete
  21. Thrace
  22. Dobruja
  23. Bosporus

Northern Europe

  1. Gotland
  2. Fjords
  3. Lapland
  4. Estonia
  5. Karelia
  6. Ingria

Eastern Europe

  1. Greater Poland
  2. Lesser Poland
  3. Mazovia
  4. Polesia
  5. Red Ruthenia
  6. Moldavia
  7. Yedisan
  8. Wild Fields
  9. Crimea Peninsula
  10. North Russia
  11. South Russia
  12. Ural

New Royal Houses (European Minor Nations):

I think that with the next European DLCs, the number of European maps and Royal Houses should increase so that Europe would be covered in such a way that everyone would be satisfied. Potential new Royal Houses for European Maps:

  1. House of Ascania - Anhalt, Saxony, Brandenburg, Saxony-Lauenburg, Lüneburg
  2. House of Nassau - Netherlands, England, Scotland, Luxembourg, Orania, Nassau
  3. House of Luxembourg - Holy Roman Empire, Austria, Bohemia, Hungary, Croatia, France, Luxembourg
  4. House of Rurik - Ruthenia, Russia
  5. House of Romanov - Russian Empire
  6. House of Stuart - Scotland, England, Ireland, Great Britain
  7. House of Medici - Italy
  8. House of Savoy - Italy, Spain
  9. House of Ottoman - Ottoman Empire (more focused on the European part of the Ottoman Empire)

With these 9 brand new Royal Houses, Europe would become Minor Nations complete.