"I don’t think these changes are good. Zeus is sitting at a 45% win rate, and nerfs to toxotes and centaurs will not help bring him up to 50%. I use this as an example to make a point. If you want to tune down a particular god, just nerf things related to that one god, not the units of the civilization itself.
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toxotes and centaurs were busted, they deserved a nerf, doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t receive buffs in other fields though. It was deserved in the same way a slinger nerf for egyptians is deserved despite ra and set being worse than even Zeus in terms of winrate.
What I find much more suprrising is that norse dodged major nerfs for another patch in a row now, besides a small change to hunting bonus for Odin, major nerves to their respective strats choices have yet to happen. I am just sitting here and asking myself how? How does thor achieve a near 70% winrate for a time and then not receive a single patch note even remotely adresssing this?
Greeks don’t need major buffs right now as shown by Poseidon, their core strenghts are all there, it is just currently the enviroment clearly favors certain Norse and Atlantean god, with only Isis and Poseidon being able to keep up for their respective pantheons.
I think a “blanket” nerf with buffs to things that complement the major god’s playstyle is the way to go in order to keep the different playstyle.
We got the nerfs, now we just needs some buffs.
His focus is infantry and geroes, with favor generation thrown in the mix, so something like the followings:
- Increase favor generation bonus up to 30% (to match Aphrodite tech he has no access to).
- Buff myrmidons or another general infantry buff.
- Buff olympian parentage, give even more hp or health regen.
- More than 10 starting favor, or gain 10 favor each age up.
They can also buff the worse minor gods etc…
"I agree that there are gods who can stay at 1 TC and win games easily. As you mentioned, the Norse and Atlanteans are dominant, with only Poseidon being able to maintain above a 50% win rate. This is due to his ability to hit better timings and apply early harass. As for the toxotes, I don’t think they are op, they were already nerfed, plus people mostly complain about Hades toxotes, not Poseidon’s, for example.
Zeus definitely needs some buffs. Greeks have been nerfed since the beta mostly due to Hades and Poseidon and Zeus got weakened as a result.
- His favor gain should be at least 25% faster.
- Olympian Parentage needs an update, since Jason now has less HP and is produced almost instantly.
- Bolt reuse should be changed to 35 or 40 (65 is ridiculous - more expensive than Chaos!!)
- His myth unit bonus can be improved also. Population isn’t that important like in legacy. It could be something like “Myth units cost 1 less population and train 20% faster”
Look at his winrate at 1200+ ELO
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After looking at that chart…Man they need to bump up some of those gods
Thank goodness toxotes got nerfed, they were an awful oppressive menace. Especially for Hades, they would get to a critical mass/deathball status, at which point nothing would counter them. And, everyone and their grandma at my ELO level was laming Hades Toxotes. Good riddance to that, great job devs!!
It’s not that strong, I haven’t lost to mass Toxotes in weeks, and saying that you can’t counter them is not true. Norse can go mass Jarls and stomp you if you’re away from a choke point. Fire Giants melt Toxotes, and if you play Hades, mass Toxotes and get hit by a god power that kills your army, you lose that critical mass and will never get it back if the opponent applies pressure. With that said, I don’t think a nerf to Toxotes is needed because now even Hades Toxotes are weak in the Classical Age, which I think was not the intended result.
Norse have an easy answer with huskarls, but I play Atlantians. There is a reason Toxotes got nerfed.
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One minor change I would make, to both buff Zeus and possibly lead Hades away from always going deathball toxodes would be to give Athena a tech that buffs heroes like “mentorship”.
Contarius. It’s obvious.
Didn’t work. I went full Contarius a few hero Contarius and he went full Toxotes + a few minotaur and I couldn’t beat that.