We all have opinions about what new stuff is broken or overnerfed (looing at you lithuanian fanboys). Lets discuss what we think is necessary on a first look. i will start with my wishlist:
I think polish winged hussar are broken. they do lack 2 pierce armor, but with their +2 atk +1 meele armor, +5 hpand +5 trample comapred to hussar they absolety shred anthing meele that isnt a paladin or elefant. even magyar hussars and champions got a bsolutey no chance, and they need no castle to be trained.
Lithuanians actuall got a buffed on their hussar with now same atk as before (+2 on winged hussar -2 from lost bs tech), +5 hp and +1 meele armor. Lith did definitievly not need this buff on their trash even when there halbs and paladin got slightly nerfed.
→ winged hussar -1 atk
Leitis still 3 shot halbs, easily beat paldins while being much cheaper
removing blast furnace was a great move but if you cancle it out by buffing (almost) everything, then whats the point. are we forgetting that this unit irgnores armor and is cheaper than a knight.
→ elite leitis -1 atk
Sizillians are now a cav civ with their scout line that can beat 1v1 pikemen in castle age and their knigts that are super armored, resist halbs, and even hard to convert with first crusade. I believe this needs a nerf to allow atealst some kind of clear weakness.
→ remove bloodlines and remove the conversion resistance from first cruasde to allow knights to countered by monks
3.5 ALso Why did sizillians lose siege oangers again in the tech tree? Is this a overlook when they build the dlc dataset wiouth including the last patch properly?
→ readd siege onager?
Bohemians getting both mining techs for free feels exessive with their already cheaper building and boosted villagers in castle age when you get fevor and santicity from their cheaper monastery. If the civ needs a nerf, i would start here:
→ reduce free mining to 50% cheaper mining techs.
4.5 Bohemains are central european and eastern europena. change the architecture set to the teuton one. many people have pointed this out on reddit, steam forum, here already.
Looking generally at bohemains, seeing how a gunpoweder civ should be, makes my portugese main heart cry. Main reason ports didnt get squirres was because devs back then thought FU halbs + organ guns would be op, gues what bohemains have FU halbs with a bonus and boosted UU with organ gun atk but with ram hp…
→ give portugese squirres already and remove it from bohemains…
Franks still need a nerf, always have been.
→ free farming upgrade replaced be 50% cheaper farming upgrades
cumans steppe hunsbardry is just obsolete. cumans dont need faster cav archer/hussar production time when now these very buildings are also so much cheaper so more buildings can be easily constructed. even if the civ doesnt need further buffs, this sitaution of useless techs is not really satifactory.
→ new effect: cav archer/ scout/ lancer are 10% cheaper (all resource types)
For comparision, huns have 15%/20% cheaper cav archer und magyar have 15% cheaper hussar, nobody got cheaper lancer yet.
Too early to see OP or not. But I think they are fine. Lithuanians need them to be strong, since they lack Blast Furnace. And poles lack Plate Barding Armor.
elite leitis -1 atk
Leave the Leitis alone. They lost blast furnace. They one of the only units now holding up the civ without relics. They don’t need any more nerfs. They may in fact need a buff. If anything, the Leitis should now get more pierce armor to offset the nerf of the relics.
The Sicilians needed a powerhouse unit. Since they sucked really bad in the very late game to poor tech. Too early to know if OP or not.
free farming upgrade replaced be 50% cheaper farming upgrades
NO! That would make them suck. Leave the Franks alone!
considering everything else they have isn’t even fully upgraded, and their cavaliers lack the final armor, what do you expect? also fyi Archers and pikes will absolutely shred them. 4 PA total means they are going to take 6 damage from arbs, meaning 17 shots to die. to put that in comparison, Normal Hussar have 6 PA, taking 4 damage from arbs, and require 24 shots to die.
slightly nerfed? 2 guaranteed attack is a slight nerf?
Leitis doesn’t see much use at any level due to lack of pierce armor, you’ll see it only in melee matchups and even then it still requires a castle to be made.
oh look, geojak spreading bad information, the elite leitis had 14 attack before not 13. so no, the buff they got makes up for losing blast furnace on the leitis. nothing more.
I think I will go further beyond that, but not on Liths, rather Persian war ele, they 3 shot halbs, so -2 attack to them
Maybe also remove blast furnace of Bulgarians.
FU hussars are already a very strong unit, with only food cost, 95 hp, high speed. but winged hussard have stats as good as magyar hussars with the extra aoe damage and can be trained in stables which is the biggest drawback of the magyar hussar.
now if the polish winged hussar did not lack the +2 pierce armor, it would just be extremely much stronger than magyar hussar.
dont forget that winged hussar have +1 meele armor more than normalr hussar, so they dont lack any meele armor in total. they absoultey shred in meele magzar hussars with their trample and else similiar stats, so having instead a weakness to archers is very much fair.
Okay but why wouldn’t they? If you removed that the Polish civ would stay with almost nothing. I also think you would use counter units like Halberdiers or Camels against them in practice.
13/16.