# General crossbow and Chu Ko Nu should be easier to distinguish **URL:** \ **Category:** IV - Discussion\ **Created:** [November 4, 2021, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622 "2021-11-04T08:39:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ahioz9426/32/118659_2.png) [@ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ahioz9426)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/1 "2021-11-04T08:39:14Z")
Chinese crossbow men and Chu Ko continuous firing crossbow use exactly the same appearance, but they belong to units with completely different functions (anti light armor and heavy armor), which will obviously affect the battle. It is suggested to modify the appearance of one of them to distinguish. ![微信图片_20211014193251](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/9/d/9d5ea1a5d3ce24c0e4cfe167e269c6ff91004cde.jpeg) Here are some ideas: 1. Make another set of unique appearance for Chinese crossbow / Chu Ko continuous hair crossbow. 2. Apply the appearance of Chinese step bow hand to Chu Ko continuous crossbow. After all, the two functions are similar. 3.find one appearance from the special units in the historical story mode. ---
**Author:** ![LivingHate8](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/livinghate8/32/67700_2.png) [@LivingHate8](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/LivingHate8)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/2 "2021-11-04T10:48:29Z")
The game would benefit a lot from units looking a bit more unique, in general. ---
**Author:** ![KettleBunny](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/kettlebunny/32/100034_2.png) [@KettleBunny](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/KettleBunny)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2021, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/3 "2021-11-04T11:39:40Z")
They did a decent job for the HRE maa, I do agree though. Some faction’s units blend a little too much. ---
**Author:** ![ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ahioz9426/32/118659_2.png) [@ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ahioz9426)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/4 "2021-11-05T18:51:35Z")
Since the Chu Ko crossbow adopted the appearance of the archer in times 2, times 3 and 4 can continue to do so instead of suddenly turning to the appearance of the crossbow, causing confusion. Of course, it’s better to make a new appearance, or find one from the special units in the historical story mode. ---
**Author:** ![EricGonzalezM](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ericgonzalezm/32/120671_2.png) [@EricGonzalezM](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/EricGonzalezM)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2021, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/5 "2021-11-05T20:57:48Z")
> [@ahioz9426](#): > > How to distinguish between a crossbow hand and a Chu Ko continuous crossbow? You can’t. What you do is CTRL+group them and hope for the best. If you think that’s bad, have you tried telling apart camel riders from camel archers? ---
**Author:** ![FerengiQuark](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ferengiquark/32/85159_2.png) [@FerengiQuark](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/FerengiQuark)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2021, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/6 "2021-11-05T21:38:18Z")
> [@EricGonzalezM](#): > > have you tried telling apart camel riders from camel archers? The bane of my existence. Whatever, I suck at micro anyway, Attack Move all baby. ---
**Author:** ![PunchingLake242](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/punchinglake242/32/87025_2.png) [@PunchingLake242](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/PunchingLake242)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/7 "2021-11-05T22:20:41Z")
simple: If it underperforms, it’s a Chu Ko Nu, if it’s useful it’s a crossbowman ---
**Author:** ![ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ahioz9426/32/118659_2.png) [@ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ahioz9426)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/8 "2021-11-15T13:07:26Z")
Here are some ideas: 1. Make another set of unique appearance for Chinese crossbow / Chu Ko continuous hair crossbow. 2. Apply the appearance of Chinese step bow hand to Chu Ko continuous crossbow. After all, the two functions are similar. 3.find one appearance from the special units in the historical story mode. ![QQ浏览器截图20211115210420](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/4/0/40e79a974a24ae9509985eb740728bb471b54c87.png) ---
**Author:** ![Ab0ut47Pandas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ab0ut47pandas/32/38529_2.png) [@Ab0ut47Pandas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Ab0ut47Pandas)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/9 "2021-11-15T13:12:29Z")
> [@LivingHate8](#): > > The game would benefit a lot from units looking a bit more unique, in general. Honestly-- at this point-- I don’t know how long it would take to make this change if they do it-- I kinda just want a piece of text that floats over their heads “Knight” “Crossbowman” “Turducken” and so on. ---
**Author:** ![ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ahioz9426/32/118659_2.png) [@ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ahioz9426)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/10 "2021-11-15T13:15:39Z")
There are too many floating text / icons in aoe4, which will fill the picture with various labels. ---
**Author:** ![Ab0ut47Pandas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ab0ut47pandas/32/38529_2.png) [@Ab0ut47Pandas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Ab0ut47Pandas)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/11 "2021-11-15T13:18:29Z")
There is? like what? The only thing that comes to mind to me is health bars and things that have capacity-- like towers/Rams etc ---
**Author:** ![ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ahioz9426/32/118659_2.png) [@ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ahioz9426)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/12 "2021-11-15T16:36:21Z")
![QQ浏览器截图20211116003346](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/3/a/3a281f2d785c55db68cef15feca46b9e3f799788.jpeg) You can’t quickly distinguish between these two units, which will affect the battle! ---
**Author:** ![ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ahioz9426/32/118659_2.png) [@ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ahioz9426)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/13 "2021-11-15T16:40:57Z")
![QQ浏览器截图20211116003927](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/9/0/903edb3b18d0f7d8bfb571c9598c73e6a25665cb.jpeg) ![QQ浏览器截图20211116003940](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/a/d/ad6502b1116a4a5a6157dff34ec7ffefb81d227a.png) HOW? ---
**Author:** ![ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ahioz9426/32/118659_2.png) [@ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ahioz9426)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/14 "2021-11-17T20:00:45Z")
Hope to get an official response! ---
**Author:** ![LordXiaoBW](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/lordxiaobw/32/32635_2.png) [@LordXiaoBW](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/LordXiaoBW)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/15 "2021-11-18T01:33:36Z")
i never confused of this cuz i never produce Zhuge nu hahaha ---
**Author:** ![TheConqueror753](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/theconqueror753/32/207146_2.png) [@TheConqueror753](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TheConqueror753)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/16 "2021-11-18T01:40:21Z")
They could always make them look a bit more like the AoE2 versions, because they look pretty cool. ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/9/6/9677963c3a7e80ffaed462ef9e9634742eb2572c.jpeg) Not totally sure how this could be accomplished though, maybe by having the bows made of darker wood? ---
**Author:** ![ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ahioz9426/32/118659_2.png) [@ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ahioz9426)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 4:11am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/17 "2021-11-18T04:11:00Z")
The positioning of Zhuge crossbow is really embarrassing. ---
**Author:** ![ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/ahioz9426/32/118659_2.png) [@ahioz9426](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ahioz9426)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 4:16am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/general-crossbow-and-chu-ko-nu-should-be-easier-to-distinguish/180622/18 "2021-11-18T04:16:09Z")
Changing the color of weapons is also a way, but a better way is to replace Zhuge Nu’s character model. Of course, the best solution is to make a set of exclusive models for Zhuge crossbow, or find a model to replace it from special units in historical battles. The simplest scheme is to directly apply the model of Chinese walking bow hand. After all, their positioning is the same. In short, in any case, the scheme of applying the model of crossbow hand must be inappropriate and urgent to change.