They’d actually get countered by semi-lancer now but be OP when tanking skirm attacks so 100% better in theri anti infantry role while being weaker to can in some MUs
Fire throwers and chakrams are a thing, so there’s a mold for that too.
I’m partial to historical relevance, buts it’s a valid way to enable them in the existing role of ‘foot artillery’.
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make suggestion to boost niche unit
accidently buff mexico
God is this the anxiety tilanus feels every time he enters a new update?
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So, the grenade launcher card instead becomes a card that evolves them into the post 17 century gren. I’m down for that.
How would the stats look like for that and what civs would get it?
That is what I’ve been trying to tell Hellpunch all the time: you can’t nerf mexico - it’s just not possible
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That’s the simplest solution, as the heavy tag is the root of most of their problems.
The issue with grens is historically they changed roles over time from dudes who just threw grenades to elite heavy infantry. In the game they tried amalgamate the two with the function of the former, but tags of the latter. But the heavy infantry tag would imply being good against cav and weak to skirms, which is totally not the function they have.
One fix could be to split the unit into two.
A) (regular) Grenadiers - Has a roll of ‘foot artillery’ tagged as generic infantry. Good against other infantry and buildings, weak to cav and cannons.
B) Line Grenadiers - Adds the heavy infantry tag and makes their role more like Soldados and Giant Grenadiers. (Enabled through a card)
I don’t think Grenade Launchers should necessarily be the card that switches the roles since launchers were actually a pretty early development. Instead, that card should become an Arsenal tech.
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It has already been discussed. The problem with grenadiers is their cost. This unit is not worth 2 populations.
I personally like how Grenadiers are (with Grenade Launcher) they are fun to use in Comp Stomp I don’t want them changed to be more like a Soldado which is a Musketeer type unit.
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In general, I also dont wanna see more soldados. This prompt is to make something useful out of the grenade throwing grens - cant succeed as two legged artillery when one actual artillery shipment flattens your army.