handcannoneers usually have the option in a fight to step up and shoot mangonels and destroy them. It doesn’t feel intuitive or intentional to have a siege unit that counters a clump of ranged units to get annihilated by that very thing. Handcannoneers should be doing the same amount of damage as archers to a mangonel. Why should handcannoneers be able to easily kill their counter when archers cant? If you disagree perhaps a middleground like how much damage the janissary does to a mangonel, this seems right
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Its firepowder. Why do you think siege engines lost their way when firepowder started razing trought battlefields IRL ?
If you have problems with handcanoons, spam them knights. They eat HC alive and your opponent will cry for losing 240 of ressources each.
Yes maybe if they are going pure Handcannoneer but that is rarely the case, they are used to increase the dps of an army and will have chaff in front of them. The problem I have is that if you build a mangonel to counter handcanonnoneers it is frustrating to have them walk up and one shot them and lose 600-1800 resources to the very thing they are supposed to counter.
I mean a mangonel is the same cost as 2.5 handcannons. Even if it dies after 1 shot, you likely are winning the trade as the mangonel player, and if they are walking up to kill a mangonel, they are probably walking into your MAA or knights or w/e else, since the Mangonel has basically double the range.
Handcannons in general are supposed to be an all-purpose unit, not really hard-countered by anything.
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also if you get the pierce armor upgrade for siege mangonels will take 10 less damage per shot.
hand cannoneers used to deal a lot more damage if they are nerfed more they won’t compete with crossbowmen
After Chemistry and Siege Works, Mangos die in 14 shots. Still it’s uncommon you don’t get at least 2 shots off unless you walk your mangos into them. (unless they die to other siege, but that’s a different thing)
If one Mangonel doesn’t cut it, try 2. Or 3. Or 4! The Handcannoneers won’t have much to say after the first volley, if they’re dead.
I don’t think 25 handcannoner beat 10 mangonel.
This is equal resources.