Man i hvnt folllowed thro, how u get jordan
Well I think the additional content was a lot over the top in this hidden cup. To guess Players based on boar lure is kindaā¦ lame.
And jordan was actually one of the easiest to guess, at least in the first two rounds, based on GL-Draft and playstile. Only after the game vs Yo it was likeā¦ JorDan is back!!! Really?
I hardly followed this tourney but its sad to hear they gave the loser the most map picks(3v1 is nuts, worst case should be 2v1 or 3v2). Thatās just stupid and imbalanced. And to make it even worse that you arenāt clear enough on it that your main contender doesnāt know whatās going on until match 5. That is pathetic from the tourney organisers. Fwiw im not a viper fanboy, its just imbalance.
Same for forcing MBL and whoever to use different servers so they had worse ping.
From the sounds of it, like so many things, balance or fairness wasnāt the objective, entertainment wasā¦
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As an esports, it is non gonna be approriate playing just online without needing to reveal the environment of the room. We cant know if anyone using the spectate, or even watching the playerās screen to remind the players any mistakes.
But sure this time Mr Yo had 1 hole in the wall killing him, so he isnt a big suspect.
arabia only tournaments are hardly representative of overall skill. And on the subject of āarabia invitationalā thereās a more recent tournamentā¦ Oh right, KOTD 3, with 25x the prizepool on the line. Hera and Viper were both knocked out r1 after dominating their groups.
Might be an example of the rest of the pool catching up, maybe, and not actually regression from snek.
Empire wars, again, are hardly representative of overall skill. For the record, a huge contributor to his poor performance against Yo (according to him as of the time of the tournament) was the time constraints. He went immediately from playing a BO5 in the semis to playing a BO7 against Yo with no break in between, and heās been on the subject multiple times on how bad it is to concentrate seriously in AOE 2 for an extended period of time. That interview after the first RBW is very likely why we now had a finals day after semis as opposed to same day.
All he did in the BO5 though, was 3-0 Hera, so I guess you could say he was well rested after running Hera out so easily?
As for RBW II (where he got knocked out in semis) he lost to Liereyy, who then beat Hera and won it all. So in that case he lost to the eventual winner of the tournament. Liereyy is a beast in Empire wars too, dropping RBW III to Daut in the āCav archers donāt need a buffā tournament in a 4-3 split. In that tournament, Yo, Hera, and Viper were all eliminated in the first round, so letās tap the breaks on the fanboy accusations, how about?
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Thatās hidden cup. And that we actually complain about this makes me bother. AOE should be fun and entertaining. Thats what it makes so great.
So I also feel hidden cup should be pure. Either they make it at least pure for the viewers without any help in guessing or even for everybody, including the oĀ“players. The whole tournament fought completely hidden until the reveal.
Maybe with the new viewerbase tournaments like hidden cup are just not possible anymore. Itās just too competitive now to make something like this. It feels sad, but if we have this kind of debate right now after a tournament which clearly puts entertainment above everything else, it just feels like the days were this was possible are over now.
Kotd3, Hera was another tragedy eliminated by Lierrey 2-3; viper 0-3 yo, not even a game close (maybe game 3, but viper start throwing it prettt quick).
Thats the main point, i was followed quite closely and saw what happened instead of just showing scores.
Yo lost to champion daut. Hera lost to supposingly no.1 liereyy. Viper lost to villese (still he should be in top10 or 8)ā¦
Every sign showing heās encountering more problems in late rounds, if u dont accept thenā¦just let it be 
There are just too many poor games to viper. The 7-0 may not be very relevant but u cam still get something from there. āWhat can viper do if he cannot quick wall?ā Thats 0 win
So what ? Viper beat him 4:1 in Masters of Socotraā¦this low price pool tournament is fun for them so they do some funky stratā¦ If you count S tier tournament then its firtst time he beat himā¦I am not fanboy but what you are saying is nonsenseā¦if you would say Lierey is better atm I might agree with you but as much as I like Hera he needs to win more than 1 tournament to be considered above Viperā¦not even mention the homemap circumstances in which he beat himā¦
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Good lord, youāre one of those spectators. Okay, yeah, Viperās washed up, Liereyy is the next god on the rise, Hera masterclass, Yo secret demon, and Vivi towers uncounterable.
You have absolutely no clue what it takes to be consistent at the top of anything for an extended period of time, and you see inconsistency as failure rather than success of the other players. K. You have fun with that. The rest of us are still going to expect Viper to be the player Hera specifically dodged on his way to 2k6 because he wasnāt confident.
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Viper is now going for no1 spotā¦ thatās his kind of revenge 
But letās stop these kind of dicussion please, it doesnāt lead us anywhere. Letās agree to disagree,
Then if socrotra, BF, arena included, i also think theviper maybe still number 1. But generally these map are like separated from ānormalā map pool and arent considered in major tourniesā¦
And i guess u might also have heard about how most people and Pro rated Hera. He is leading 1v1 rank by miles now. He was already the biggest favourite with the viper in RBW2; his one man carrying in world cupā¦i DO agree he hasnt done enough vs viper to show his dominance, but from the performance of his games, IMO Hera is playing on a higher level slightly. The micro plus boom behind pressure is insane
Yeah he is leading 1v1 rankā¦because he was tryharding 2k6ā¦Viper did 2k5 first and then dropped to 2k4 because he does not care at all about rankā¦he is streaming for people so he does funny strats. which often lead to loseā¦but no one cares about 1v1 ladderā¦unfortunately we dont have something like AoE pro leagueā¦ Actually most (maybe all) Pro rated players (Hera included) sayed that Viper is still the best player atm. I agree with you that Hera skill is insane, he is one of the favourite in every tournamentā¦but I dont think you can say he is higher lvl after 1 Tourn. winā¦ a year ago at HC3 there was no one at Viper lvl, now there is Hera, Lierey, sometimes Yo which is great for the sceneā¦
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Okay i ve watched the Nili top 15 video and i respect proās view, so theviper is still the best (but wtf viper still put himself at 1st?! And 4 of 5 lists from GL soā¦)
lets move further
What abt 5th to 10th?
5-6 Daut, mBL
7-8 Jordan Villese
9-10 Tatoh ACCM Nicov Max Dogao Vinchā¦(unsure)
And by Tryharding 2k6, he means very deliberately dodging queues at the same time with Viper to avoid playing him. His road to 2k6 was completely absent of games against Viper. You can call that what you want, but he didnāt just choose to avoid Viper for no reason at all.
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Fun fact :
- For every map, if you add up the time played for all civs, you always have an even number. If you add up the winrate, you always have a multiple of 100.
- Incas is never picked in main event despite having higher win rate than both aztecs and mayans.
- Chinese is picked with highest priority, but is almost never played.
- The civ with most convincing wins is britons, 6 games and 100% win rate.
- The civ with most underwhelming winrates are celts and mongols, both with around 20% winrate and are each played more than 7 times in total.
- The least played maps are Gold rush and Hideout. No hideout game was played and only one gold rush games in main event.
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It depends on mapā¦ I honestly thing that in hybrid maps Tatooh would be top5 but he had Hera in first round of HC4 which was great battleā¦MBL is great but he lacks preparation (RBW3, HC4 was bad tourn. for him, but he had great KOTD3ā¦) Daut can beat top 3 and lose to top 50 but he won S tier tournament which no other player (except top4) could so this should put him in 5 spotā¦ 
I would go something like:
5. Daut
6. MBL
7. Tatooh
8. Villese (because of good KOTD3 and RBW3)
9. Nicov
10. Jordan (but only because HC4 where he really suprised meā¦)
But it is just my viewā¦I think that this is even harder than make top3
Think inca isnt picked by pro coz tower rush is too easy to defend for them. Non tower rush they prefer the other 2 meso
Seems everyone putting Yo at 4thā¦whyā¦
Winner of rbw1 wc 2v2. 2 very close set lost in semis vs hera and liereyy in rbw2 and kotd3ā¦is it coz of the 1-4 loss to Jordan?
Btw i think Jordan is too good in HC4 that it cant be fluke. So i put him top8 just base on this tourney
However I recall the game from yo going noboru rush in NAC3. It was super successful though.
Yeah maybe not the tower rush but appropriate map is needed. (Serengeti wood problem, hard to wall/ socotra close-distanced, no way to run)
We can argue that quarry may have potential for it, though pro players donāt seem to want to take the risk, they rather pick briton and play decent.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aoe2/comments/mboxxx/hc4_an_analysis_on_civ_draft_civ_performance/
Perfomance analysis by St4rk