In KOTD 5 had the lowest pickrate of any civ, the civ lost halbs, Ghulam is less tanky, Camel attack speed was reduced, armored and siege ele HP reduced tho, and finally the villager discount got also reduced.
Is clearly evident the civ was overnerfed almost into obiliion to the point they now no longer have a map that they are good at (Since halb removal they are also bad on Arena) while Incas and Malians, even Portuguese are now dominating most open maps (with Malians hardly having any weakness) and Chinese still insane on such maps yet not even touched.
So I propose just reverting the villager discount to what used to be, but remove Bracer so they have good eco for open maps agin but they will have a weakness in trash wars.
I’d want my pseudo knight camels back. I hate how they completely removed the old Indian civ Identity with the india update.
I’m not expecting them to change it in back, now that they got ghulam, they are stuck with the counter for everything thing.
They also had 9 attack instead of the current 8, and dealt more damage to buildings. I’d say they were better for raiding or fighting enemy archers before, but with the increased attack speed they do better against enemy cavalry now.
I’d ask to revert only this.
Nerf other aspects if it’s necessary, but the villager discount must be one of the key identity points of the civ. Nerfing it is watering down the Hindustanis’ identity.
Restore the old eco bonus but stagger the camel rof bonus - 10 or 15% castle age, 20% imperial age, increase the training time of non-elite Ghulam, increase the food cost of Shatagni by 200, remove blast furnace but give Elite Ghulam an extra attack. They’ll have good eco, lot of options but limited strength on all their units, faster attacking camels but missing last upgrade, so less dps, CA will continue to miss parthian tactics and infantry will miss last armor.
Bracer is a bit too much as well. Probably blast furnace removal is less harsh of a nerf.
won’t make a difference on open. Giving halbs will make them above average on closed.
No they are supposed to have good Hussars and Camels, while Bracer just give them extra options on areas they don’t need (Skirms, Cavalry Archers and even Galleons), without Bracer they still will have really powerful units, but now pushed towards Hand Cannoneers as their main ranged option.
Idk. I never had the feeling the bonus was too strong. It was the strongest booming bonus in the game. But the game isn’t only about booming. And as Hindustanis always lacked in the infantry + siege department there always had to be the question of “in what are you actually booming into?” with this bonus.
Some casters often told a tale about how good this bonus would be in macro games, where there is a balanced investment of military and eco. But imo this was wrong telling.
I think the Hindustani eco bonus was fine and not the issue. It actually fitted the civ well as the civ was kinda onedimensional in the lategame. Or two-dimensional. Either going CA Hussar or just Camels (+skirm or HC). But with the bad siege they always lacked some oumph there.
Yeah agree. the +1 PA on the Camels was actually fine. The issue was only in TGs where this paired with the extra HP of the Imp Camels would just chew through the standard Paladin Arb combo.
Instead of changing this bonus devs could have adjusted the Imp Camel upgrade:
Instead of giving more HP just more attack and bonus damage.
And everything would have been fine, fixing the one issue the civ had in TGs but keeping the Identity,
Cause imo the Identity of the civ was totally fine, there was only this one issue with TGs which made them feel broken there. No need to change their whole identity just to fix that.
Ghulams are not reliable units anymore… They are super slow to produce and they are effective only when you mass them. With 10 ghulams early castle you cannot clean properly 10 arbalests.
Without the speed upgrade 10 ghulams loose easy vs 10 arbalest. It is a reliable Units only when you have full upgrade + elite with 3 - 4 castles.
I agree that Hindustanis became a low average civ.
Kotd5 stats, are heavily influenced by the skill gap of the matches, a guy like hera would have won most of his games before the finals using any civ, the same with other guys.
You would need to measure fair matches and civ switch to get accurate data, most of hindustanis loses comes from qualifiers where the skill gap was even bigger.
Huns in the other hand have a very low pick rate in any big event since well basically DE release, so their winrate isn’t great cause the aoc haters pushed the devs to release civs way stronger than before and nerf the old civs, huns don’t have defensive structures like most civs in such an open map like kotd is a big disadvantage, huns can be countered with any civ with heavy camels or stronger military units and eco bonuses, they are nothing special anymore.
Reverting villager discount is probably going to be the most impactful.
Instead, I’d probably remove ring archer armor instead to make their skirms weaker – more reliant on ghulam a gold unit. Makes more sense to me
To compensate hand cannons, also make gunpowder armor bonus +1/+2. If cav archer needs to be compensated, can give parthian tactics back (thematically makes sense to me as well given their persian/tatar connections)
No. Hindustanis don’t need aby sort of buff at all especially their broken gunpowdder. Actually their gunpowder needs a nerf, +2 range and free +1/+1 armour is too much.
remaining at +1/+1 or +1/+2 combined with losing ring archer armor is a nerf from the current version. This means their hand cannons have generic or worse than generic armor with extra range as trade-off. Only bombard cannons gets buffed ONLY if +1/+2