I think they’ve had a high winrate long enough. They’ve been strong since the start, and went untouched last patch.
With the heavy scorpion changes, I could see Romans getting a small nerf to their scorpions. But while Roman’s winrates have always been high, they haven’t been unreasonably high. They’re strong, but (imo) not quite OP.
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Romans suffered a few nerfs since release, +1 attack on Gallesy was removed, the Galley/Dromon armor bonus was changed to just +1/+1, Ballistas UT no longer imporves the attack speed of Galleys and +2 attack to Galleys was attached to it, Castle Age Centurion HP was reduced by 10, and the Centurion aura effect fro faster atttacking Militia-line was reduced from 25% (33% for elite) to a flat 20% for both Standard and Elite Centurion, without Mentioning the latest Dromon changes.
Even with such nerfs their WR aren’t out of orbi, and they mostly excel on very aggresive, fast paced maps, on other maps Romans are rather weaker and in Tournaments they don’t overperform. The civ is in a fine spot balance wise.
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I remember one time I faced a Roman opponent and I was playing as Saracens. Although I managed to micro my mamelukes, I couldn’t keep up with his barracks production. I really think that the bonus should give something else instead of increased military production for knights and barracks. It’s too similar to Goth UT.
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Even for 1200elo+ Roman does not seem to be very strong: aoestats - Age of Empires II Civilization Statistics
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This was fairly consequential.
How is 52% not strong???
It is fine. A perfect all around the board 50% win rate for all civilizations would not be indicative of a good game. I think that you will adjust.
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I’m not saying the civ is OP, but it’s very solid and strong. Now if it’s Mongols, then that’s OP, regardless of winrate.
I mean why you go Mamelukes vs Infantry??, They are ok but why you waste such expensive unit that is hard to mass and whose task is to kill cavalry to counter Infantry? Saracens have Hand Cannoneers that counter infantry.
Is strong but not OP, if anything is pretty much balanced, overperforming civ are the Georgians that were getting a bit more than 55% WR but got nerfed recently.
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I was too busy microing my mamelukes to switch into HC.
Just ditch the memelukes and go xbow+camel, destroys roman everyday
Anyway 52% is basically meh, there are tons of civs with 52% wr right now (and many at 55% for 2k+ elos)
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Because it impacts only 1 in 50 matches.
Pay to win civs!!!