# How would you buff the Indians? **URL:** \ **Category:** II - Discussion\ **Created:** [November 18, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697 "2020-11-18T14:54:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DoctBaghi](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/doctbaghi/32/177207_2.png) [@DoctBaghi](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/DoctBaghi)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/61 "2020-11-20T13:40:12Z")
> [@Mubashir158](#): > > The biggest problem with EA is its food cost. Camel+EA is not easy at all to go for in even with Indians boom. In fact you shouldn’t, you should add HC instead, but they still cost food. Maybe EA should simply cost wood… ---
**Author:** ![CactusSteak2171](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/cactussteak2171/32/29684_2.png) [@CactusSteak2171](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/CactusSteak2171)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/62 "2020-11-20T13:46:49Z")
> [@SouMexican](#): > > Indians with one of the highest winning rate at 1650 You seem to like what aoestats has to say, so let’s see what it does say about arabia 1v1 at 1650+ ELO for the previous patch shall we? First part: ![image](https://static.ageofempires.com/aoe-forums/original/3X/f/1/f15d493ff38ecdd5443411dd92dc23eb91bd954f.png) Yipee Indian are indeed far ahead, but what is this civ order? Why are Berbers of all things above Aztecs and Mayans? And it only gets better! ![image](https://static.ageofempires.com/aoe-forums/original/3X/b/d/bd969224c00f4d273f99884db55ad9e49b0d4d4e.png) We only meet Vikings now(best civ in the game according to some _cough_) along the Cuman (secretely OP according to the same “some”) Now serious talk, in what warped alternative reality ITALIANS are a better arabia civ than LITHUANIAN? ![image](https://static.ageofempires.com/aoe-forums/original/3X/1/a/1a6132868cf77a551e56d9b9d49ff32d10e12c68.png) OwO what’s this? The all-mighty Khmer are at the bottom? Even outdone by Turks and Bulgarian? Dang the “real” meta is really surprising is it? Or maybe one shouldn’t trust low samples so much to back up their claims uh? ---
**Author:** ![SMUM15236](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/smum15236/32/29763_2.png) [@SMUM15236](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SMUM15236)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/63 "2020-11-20T14:03:58Z")
And Ethiopians, Burmese, Tatars, Italians, Japanese, Byzantines and Spanish are better than Slavs. ---
**Author:** ![DoctBaghi](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/doctbaghi/32/177207_2.png) [@DoctBaghi](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/DoctBaghi)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/64 "2020-11-20T16:40:57Z")
> [@Sylux1000](#): > > What about an attack bonus for CA? Maybe just +2 vs infantry or archers I think that more than empowering the HCA, the Indians need an help on researching it. Either free HCA or 50% cheaper HCA and PA upgrades would work. This womake their transition from castle age, with light cav, camels and skirms, to imp with CA less awkward. Then it’s also a minor help to their EA, since PA affects them too. ---
**Author:** ![JokerPenguin593](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/jokerpenguin593/32/128367_2.png) [@JokerPenguin593](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/JokerPenguin593)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/65 "2020-11-20T17:48:26Z")
> [@DoctBaghi](#): > > PA upgrades What are PA upgrades? ---
**Author:** ![SouBotsito](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/soubotsito/32/29229_2.png) [@SouBotsito](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SouBotsito)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/66 "2020-11-20T18:14:56Z")
i don’t care about players preferences, but the civ is winning, the civ is quite good for 1x1 according for good players and even to pros, only forum warriors says they are bad for it 11. Just to show you how you guys don’t even play the game instead of just posting hypothetical things, there are no lag complains in these forums yet the game is unplayable with a lot of stutter since last patch, so i invite you to play 1x1, looking for those outdated stats would have a been a good 1x1 with indians. ---
**Author:** ![DoctBaghi](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/doctbaghi/32/177207_2.png) [@DoctBaghi](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/DoctBaghi)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/67 "2020-11-20T18:34:37Z")
> [@JokerPenguin593](#): > > What are PA upgrades? I writed wrong, I meant heavy cavalry archer and partian tactics, the smartphone corrected itself wrong. ---
**Author:** ![BouffantBloom32](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/bouffantbloom32/32/30879_2.png) [@BouffantBloom32](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/BouffantBloom32)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/68 "2020-11-20T19:38:50Z")
Nothing, I would give their Extra Pierce armor only on their Camels, not Light Cav too. Like it was leaked in the Battle Royale Event. I mean i am still down to give them last cav armor but remove Bloodlines You noobs have no clue about Indians Strength and why they are still OP now ---
**Author:** ![CactusSteak2171](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/cactussteak2171/32/29684_2.png) [@CactusSteak2171](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/CactusSteak2171)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/69 "2020-11-20T22:26:46Z")
> [@SouMexican](#): > > i don’t care about players preferences It’s not classed by pick rate, it is indeed classed by winrate, also I’m pretty much sure it was the basis of your claim that Indian have one of the highest winrates at 1650 ELO. > [@SouMexican](#): > > only forum warriors says they are bad for it 11 I mean after the change was revealed and before it was shown the light cav would get the compensation too it would be legitimate to worry about the nerf since it would restrict the civ’s option in 1v1, especially the late game. Now it is indeed more debatable. > [@SouMexican](#): > > there are no lag complains in these forums yet the game is unplayable with a lot of stutter since last patch I didn’t experience stutters online, ig I’m luckier than you are. Tho the slow and ugly new menus did cause their fair share of complaints there like everywhere else. > [@SouMexican](#): > > i invite you to play 1x1 You see me as a noob, fair enough, but then you wouldn’t care too much about whatever result I get from playing Indian right? > [@SouMexican](#): > > looking for those outdated stats would have a been a good 1x1 with indians. I’m def not good enough to close a game in 10 min 11 ---
**Author:** ![FurtherLime7936](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/furtherlime7936/32/113417_2.png) [@FurtherLime7936](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/FurtherLime7936)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/70 "2020-11-20T22:37:24Z")
Why you even hope to make him admit that, even he thinks that the Slav farming bonus is weak (lol probably he never looked back when every pro claimed that the slavic farmers were OP, and then why it got nerfed) and the Leitis should be anti camel unit 11 ---
**Author:** ![CactusSteak2171](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/cactussteak2171/32/29684_2.png) [@CactusSteak2171](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/CactusSteak2171)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/71 "2020-11-20T22:55:36Z")
Wasn’t he speaking about the current farming bonus tho? ---
**Author:** ![MustySnizl](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/mustysnizl/32/35169_2.png) [@MustySnizl](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/MustySnizl)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/72 "2020-11-21T00:27:35Z")
Elephant archers dont need a buff. Indians need arbalests. Elephant archers are basically the love child of a ram and an archer. They are extremely good tanks against archer fire. Without elite upgrade but otherwise FU they tank 300 arbalest shots and still take abour 40 skirm shots. The only problem is that indians lack arbalests. So there is nothing EAs can tank for. You cant mass them. Too slow, producing from castles and too expensive, so you just need arbalests with them. That alone would solve all problems indians have right now. Would be a great buff for 1v1,not too impactful for team games and give the ea the role it so desperately needs ---
**Author:** ![WolfKhanGen](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/wolfkhangen/32/53923_2.png) [@WolfKhanGen](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/WolfKhanGen)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/73 "2020-11-21T01:41:08Z")
So you’re thinking of making the ele archer the land version of the turtle ship. I’d rather them be able to fire while moving, low range, slow, doable without breaking the balance and would make them worthwhile. ---
**Author:** ![GeneVostok0](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/4af34b/32.png) [@GeneVostok0](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/GeneVostok0)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 2:29am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/74 "2020-11-21T02:29:40Z")
As a sort of historical “nod” make their barracks units cost -10, -20, -30 food per age at Feudal (this includes their spear line). ---
**Author:** ![SouBotsito](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/soubotsito/32/29229_2.png) [@SouBotsito](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SouBotsito)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/75 "2020-11-21T03:22:18Z")
There was discussion about leitis not having a true identity as UU, so having superior raw power than more expensive units doesn’t make sense, reducing that brute power to one single type of units instead of killing their counterparts with 3 hits is still a good option, but you can’t understand that, go play with cobra cars dude, rts can’t have units that breaks the balance having minimal counters while most units have 2 counters at least. And about slavs yeah all pros says that but no one has ever used them in tournaments as first 5 civ choice how weird maybe the civ and its bonus isn’t other thing that just overrated comments, unlike khmer farming bonus which was granting a great advantage as it has been seen in tournaments and most games actually and slavs well even when their farmers were 15% faster the things were just about the same. ---
**Author:** ![MatCauthon3](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/matcauthon3/32/29474_2.png) [@MatCauthon3](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/MatCauthon3)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/76 "2020-11-21T04:17:27Z")
> [@SouMexican](#): > > rts can’t have units that breaks the balance having minimal counters while most units have 2 counters at least. the leitis had just as many counters as any heavy cavalry did, and now it has more then every heavy cavalry in the game. ---
**Author:** ![SMUM15236](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/smum15236/32/29763_2.png) [@SMUM15236](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SMUM15236)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/77 "2020-11-21T04:39:14Z")
> [@MustySnizl](#): > > Elephant archers are basically the love child of a ram and an archer. Except that both Ram and Archer cost wood while EA cost food. ---
**Author:** ![MaharajManSingh](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/maharajmansingh/32/49832_2.png) [@MaharajManSingh](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/MaharajManSingh)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/78 "2020-11-21T06:18:53Z")
We should start with Elephant Archer rework. Since that unit already needs addressing. My suggestion here- > [@Elephant Archers Suggestions](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/elephant-archers-suggestions/77975/245): > > Elephant Archer as a unit can either be impractical to use in 1v1 or before late game. Or can be Borderline op if allowed to mass with help in team games, specially against civ that don’t get halberdier… I would like to post a suggestion about rework of Elephant Archer. First want to discuss 2 points. Traditionally there used to be 2 or 3 archers on howdah on elephants. They had bows like the archer unit. I think these were phased out from armies by the time crossbow became prevalent. Ind… Further explained- > [@Elephant Archers Suggestions](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/elephant-archers-suggestions/77975/255): > > That rework intends to buff Elephant Archer selectively. So that units like cav Archer and hand cannoneer are still relevant. And EA doesn’t become op like in aoe 1, if able to mass. Let’s compare its attacks current vs reworked version Pierce Armor - EA - EEA - Reworked EA - Reworked EEA 0 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 12 1 - 5 - 6 - 6 - 9 2 - 4 - 5 - 4 … ---
**Author:** ![MatCauthon3](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/matcauthon3/32/29474_2.png) [@MatCauthon3](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/MatCauthon3)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/79 "2020-11-21T06:28:08Z")
here’s the thing, the problem with elephant unique units isn’t the damage output they do. it’s the cost + the fact that monks wreck them + the slow to mass due to castle requirement. ---
**Author:** ![MaharajManSingh](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/maharajmansingh/32/49832_2.png) [@MaharajManSingh](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/MaharajManSingh)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697/80 "2020-11-21T06:49:28Z")
Monks are supposed to be their counter. But with more los it would be easier to manage. Also they can wreck low pierce Armor monks once in range. Castle requirement and being expensive is fine. They are supposed to supplement the army. Wood cost will make things a bit better. But they should never be the main bulk of army. [Previous page](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/how-would-you-buff-the-indians/108697.md?page=5)