True but korea or japan was not under china.There was no Rumania back then,they were under hungarians bulgarians and cumans.even draculas family is of cuman decent.
Vietnamese?
Being conquered is not the problem.
The priority may be low but their chance definitely should not be reject.
They are the exception since the hussar upgrade is too expensive to create a next upgrade.
If we design a new melee cavalry for replacing the paladin, it must be more powerful than the regular one. I donāt think that is a excellent idea.
Also, I donāt like that we do the change just because we want the oriental cavalry skin.
In my opinion, better to be introduced as a scenario editor units, let it available for other civ in the campaign so Chinese would not see other people use their firearms they missing. 
As far as I learn it is a famous rumor.
It doesnāt be recorded in History of Jin and is refuted by the Qianlong Emperor of Qing.
Because Romanians are not Slavs. Many people not from Eastern Europe throw all Eastern European nations into the Slavic bag - Albanians as well as Romanians.
Yes, but since there is a civs slot limit, you need to fit as much as possible into as few new civs as possible. Unfortunately, the subcontinent is so large and ethnically complex that you have to create umbrellas (probably nowhere else in the world there are so many nations. But this great number does not mean that you have to make 15 Indian civs. You have to create neat and interesting civs from this subcontinent, not many sloppy civs. I am of the opinion that it is better to add 4 really nice Indian civs than many similar ones).
I think the Dravidians, Bengals, Punjabis and Tibetans would be sufficient for the Indian subcontinent for now. If there is a limit of 48-50 civ.
The kingdom and the principality of Burgundy were the most multi-centered country in Western Europe due to the presence between France and Germany. You could say that it was such a cosmopolitan country. It was the progenitor of modern Low Countries.
This is ironic coming from the guy who wants to break up every European umbrella in the game as much as possible.
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Is 1-2 South Slavic civs, 2 German civs and a Romanian civ the biggest break for European umbrellas? Because it seems to me that it is the minimum number but necessary. I do not want to break every European umbrella because I know that Spanish, Italian and Scandinavian umbrellas have the lowest priority.
Give up on these annoying jokes because they are not substantive. If you think that everything I write and do is wrong, let go of the taunts at my every step. It only creates unnecessary quarrels that do not create anything but spoil it.
Besides, I proposed 4 new civs for the Indian subcontinent, which is a total of 5 civs. Now think about Africa, which is much larger in area and thus much more culturally and ethnically diverse. 5 civs from the Indian subcontinent is a sufficient number (with a limit of 48-50 civs). Africa deserves even more. Additionally, it is worth remembering that you can break down Saracens civs into some nice civs, e.g. Mamluks and Moors.
There are many ideas for civs and the civs limit will not satisfy anyone. They will always be disadvantaged. I think the more civs there are in the game, the more people expect them to be increased. I guess even if there were 75 civs (36 civs more) people would still be complaining. Civs priority is subjective so in fact all new civs are both prioritized and not.
And yet we already broke up the slav and German umbrellas. So no reason to break them further.
You claim i am joking but i view what you are saying as a massive joke. On one hand you claim we have to leave some umbrellas intact so we can cover other areas. But then still propose 4 to 5 civs in the most represented area in the gamw
You claim that we have to keep some umbrellas intact due to civ limits but then still propose 4 to 5 of the next 9 to 11 civs (a full half) be used for a region that already has 18+ civs representing it to try to break up those umbrellas. You claim we need to break up the German and slav umbrellas. The teuton umbrella was clearly the holy Roman empire and Germany all in one. And is already broken with Italians, Burgundians and bohemians in game. Same with slavs with Poles and bohemians.
I could see maybe 1 more civ in Europe.
With 9 to 11 slots left I would propose
1 in Americas
2 in the caucuses
2 more in Indian subcontinent
1 more in China, though two would he preferred
2 in Africa
That leaves 1 to 3 to work with depending on the cap. If the game code is correct 48 is the cap and leaves room for 1 civ
So it makes sense to focus on areas that havenāt been touched as much yet, and not just ensure Europe has 22 to 23 civs (basically half the civ allotment).
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I think that the creators themselves are telling us subtly to the awareness that this umbrella has not yet been broken since the Slavs civ still have not been rename on the Ruthenians civ. If it were otherwise, with the premiere of Dawn of the Dukes DLC they would rename the Slavs civ to Ruthenians civ.
You confuse HRE with Germans. Bohemians and Burgundys were HRE but were NOT GERMANS!
Do you think some Teutons are supposed to represent all the Germans ??? Germans who are very diverse and rich. 2 new German civs are the minimum. The Teutons are based only on the Teutonic Order, looking at their UU and UT and the rest of the features. South Germans and North Germans are not represented at all in this game. If youāve smashed umbrellas then smash them all! The most abusive umbrellas in AoE 2 are Slavic, Indian and German umbrellas.
You mistake HRE for Germans againā¦
Italians are simply Italians and Bohemians are Czechs!
The Slavic umbrella was the same as the Indian umbrella (one civ based solely on a specific empire / group of nations). Slavs civ are Eastern Slavs - that is, Ruthenians, because in the Middle Ages they were fairly uniform and only in the early modern times they were divided into Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and Rusyns.
Poles and Bohemians are the most important West Slavic nations, which were strong and important kingdoms in the Middle Ages. These two civs are in themselves umbrellas for other smaller nations. Czechs cover Moravians, Slovaks, Lusatians and Silesians. Poles cover Pomeranians (modern Kashubians) and Polabians.
If there is indeed a civs limit, the best thing to do is to break the existing civs umbrellas - I think the developers do.
If the creators decide that it is worth adding more civs (because the DLC gives them money and they will not support this game for free), they will definitely increase the civs limit to, for example, 55 civs. After all, programmers can work wonders.
So itās best to focus on what they used to do, haphazardly. Some time ago, the creators thought that one German, Slavic and Indian civ would satisfy everyone, but it is not so. Let the developers add regional UUs such as Wigned Hussar (for Lithuanians and civ Poles) for all regions. Let the creators break the German and Indian umbrella. Let them finish breaking the Slavic umbrella. Once they finish breaking down the most abusive umbrellas then they can start adding new civs that will be better than the old ones.
This is false. Completely false. Even leader names tell us otherwise. Crenellations was not something only the teutonic order used. Stop lieing. Just because the unique unit represents the teutonic order does not mean the civ is the teutonic order only.
" The historical Teutons were first mentioned by Republican Roman authors as being from Scandinavia and allies with the Cimbri against Rome. The in-game āTeutonsā actually represent many migration periodās West Germanic-speaking peoples, East Francia, the Holy Roman Empire, Crusader states, and three famous crusading orders: the Knights Hospitaller, Knights Templar, and the Teutonic Knights. They rely on infantry, cavalry, siege units, and fortifications, which is typical for a medieval European army."
Even rhe symbol is from the holy Roman empire.
They also havenāt renamed any other umbrella they broke up.
Which is no longer the slavs or Germans. Despite yout claims otherwise.
Chinese. Indians. And saracens would be far more necessary. Slavs have Poles, bohemians, and Bulgarians already. On top of slavs.
The teutons have Italians, Burgundians, and bohemians.
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Tibetans are not really part of the Indian subcontinentā¦
Anyway, I think Iād rather just have Tamils in the game and eventually have them stand for other Dravidian people in campaigns and historical battles rather than have another umbrella in the game, in case it would have to be broken down later. Umbrellas tend to have design problems, as they are quite often an amalgamation of their various components.
As for Burgundy being a cosmopolitan country, thatās utterly beside the point.
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Where did the 48 civ limit rumor come from? I highly doubt itās accurate. For every coding challenge there is a solution, especially if it means selling more DLCās.
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Pretty sure cataphracts and cataphracts like troops were heavier than European knights
Its fact and common knowledge.lets say devs can change the limit,how many civis should this game have?
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The civ limit was actually smaller before and got expanded by allowing to use previously locked civ slots as well as a rework of the random civs but from what i have seen most modders think changing the civ slot limit is wayyy too much reworking of the code.
40? 50? 60? Idk, as long as they stay fun and reasonably well balanced. I just donāt think a 49th civ is an impossibility. There are always creative ways around arbitrary software limitations.
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Except we canāt operate under the assumption it can be expanded past 48 until told otherwise.
So until then it is best to assume 48 is the limit and operate within those parameters
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Also waiting until the 49th civ to add a new Euro civ seems reasonable to me either way
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You really want to see 60 civis in game?already its over crowded and its hard to even remember all the civi bonuses.
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Not tomorrow, but if the game goes another 20 years then sure. Can you imagine a dev in 2041 saying āsorry boss, we canāt make any more DLCās, someone set the civ limit at 48 in 1999 and we canāt figure out a workaround.ā 
Well, the limitations set on modders are not necessarily the same as the one the dev team for the vanilla has to deal with. I remember someone saying abouth the HD version that there were only two slots available after the release of the African Kingdoms and there was no way to work around that, and yet we got four new civs with Rise of the Rajas before moving to DE, so Iām not convinced this is set in stone.
However, I wholeheartedly agree with MatCauthon3: In the meantime, I donāt really want to come back to Europe, especially not Western Europe. The Balkans are less overcrowded than the neighboring regions, but compared to other continents Iād say they are in a pretty good shape.
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Pretty much all european regions have about 3 civis already.