# \[Hub\] Civilization Concepts **URL:** \ **Category:** II - Discussion\ **Created:** [May 28, 2022, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999 "2022-05-28T21:53:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TungstenBoar](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/tungstenboar/32/173768_2.png) [@TungstenBoar](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TungstenBoar)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2022, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/21 "2022-05-28T22:43:11Z")
> [@casusincorrabil](#): > > I have no official source for what the aoe2 timeframe is 11 > But yeah we are here to discuss this. Campaigns. We also have the Huns and the Turtle Ship representing the span of the timeline if you want to look at non campaign content > [@casusincorrabil](#): > > It’s a medieval game, not an antique game. The thing is that thats not completely true. We have rthe whole colonization thing and the last yearsof the Romans as very important parts of the game. ---
**Author:** ![casusincorrabil](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@casusincorrabil](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/casusincorrabil)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/22 "2022-05-28T22:49:05Z")
I think we discuss different things here. I speak about the civ has to exist until 600 to be “in timeframe” - ofc if a civ only exists until 600 all events depicted in the game have to occur at earlier dates. That’s what I mean with 100 years of overlap. middle ages go from 500 to 1500. So I want the civs to be existing later than 600 so there are at least 100 years of overlap witht the middle age period. Otherwise we add a civ that ends before 600 than there will be events in 300 so we can add the romans aswell and if we add the romans we can also add the greek and then the aegyptians… Do you see what the problem is if we argue like this? But ofc we can say that a civ needs to be existent in a 500-1600 timeframe if this is the general perception. But we can’t go further cause then we have to include civs like the romans. ---
**Author:** ![TungstenBoar](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/tungstenboar/32/173768_2.png) [@TungstenBoar](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TungstenBoar)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/23 "2022-05-28T22:53:41Z")
> [@casusincorrabil](#): > > Otherwise we add a civ that ends before 600 than there will be events in 300 No we dont have to. The game is from the 5th to 16th century. We dont need a Chinese campaign in the 200s just because they are in the game And we already have Romans as Byzantines. > [@casusincorrabil](#): > > I speak about the civ has to exist until 600 to be “in timeframe But Huns disappeared before the 500s ---
**Author:** ![casusincorrabil](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@casusincorrabil](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/casusincorrabil)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2022, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/24 "2022-05-28T22:57:34Z")
> [@TungstenBoar](#): > > But Huns disappeared before the 500s True. But again, we can’t argue like this cause then everything would be ok. We need to set a boundary. The concepts are also not gone, they are just in the “out of timeframe” category. ---
**Author:** ![TungstenBoar](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/tungstenboar/32/173768_2.png) [@TungstenBoar](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TungstenBoar)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2022, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/25 "2022-05-28T23:02:08Z")
> [@casusincorrabil](#): > > We need to set a boundary But the timeline should include everything thats in the game (so both Huns and the Turtle ship should fit) as well as be coherent with the campaigns. We could establish the split to be the division of the Roman Empire in western and Eastern ---
**Author:** ![casusincorrabil](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@casusincorrabil](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/casusincorrabil)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2022, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/26 "2022-05-28T23:10:25Z")
What is the timeframe you would chose? Cause we have no other option. we have to set a timeframe. Otherwise everything is in and out simultanously. ---
**Author:** ![TungstenBoar](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/tungstenboar/32/173768_2.png) [@TungstenBoar](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TungstenBoar)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2022, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/27 "2022-05-28T23:20:12Z")
Last division of the Roman Empire and beggining of the Reign of Alaric (395) to Imjin War (1598) or maybe the fall of Toungoo (1599) Personally I would extend it until 1648 because of the Eighty Years war and fall of Ming but the other two make more sense ---
**Author:** ![casusincorrabil](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@casusincorrabil](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/casusincorrabil)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2022, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/28 "2022-05-28T23:21:43Z")
And how much overlap with this timeframe a civ should have? 50 years? 100? ---
**Author:** ![TungstenBoar](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/tungstenboar/32/173768_2.png) [@TungstenBoar](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TungstenBoar)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/29 "2022-05-28T23:29:15Z")
I would personally say 100 years, but Huns lasted less than that In general tbh I think qny civ that fits in the period could be added but rhe need to be added will always be deeply subjective (I try to mostly be objective but I still have some love for civs that really shouldnt be added like Vandals) ---
**Author:** ![SauravT](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/sauravt/32/29878_2.png) [@SauravT](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SauravT)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2022, 4:36am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/30 "2022-05-29T04:36:34Z")
> [@TungstenBoar](#): > > But Huns disappeared before the 500s Actually they came back to Asia and troubled the Gupta empire in India ---
**Author:** ![SauravT](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/sauravt/32/29878_2.png) [@SauravT](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SauravT)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2022, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/31 "2022-05-29T04:41:23Z")
Hey! Thanks for the mention in the Poles concept, definitely my best post here. I suggest you that whatever civ is implemented (like Poles, Tamils as Dravidians etc) mentions this in the notes. > [@TungstenBoar](#): > > We could establish the split to be the division of the Roman Empire in western and Eastern Why? They were the same militarility. Taking the full Roman Empire into consideration, it was pagan till 3rd century and Christian after that, which is the only cultural difference. > [@TungstenBoar](#): > > But Huns disappeared before the 500s They came back to Asia and troubled the Gupt empire in India > [@TungstenBoar](#): > > Personally I would extend it until 1648 because of the Eighty Years war and fall of Ming but the other two make more sense If we are extending till 1648, we might as well extend till 1683 to see the Winged Hussars arriving!! ---
**Author:** ![TungstenBoar](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/tungstenboar/32/173768_2.png) [@TungstenBoar](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TungstenBoar)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2022, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/32 "2022-05-29T04:47:39Z")
> [@SauravT](#): > > Actually they came back to Asia and troubled the Gupta empire in India Thpse werent the same huns > [@SauravT](#): > > Why? They were the same militarility Because it is a gpod point to establish as the beginning of the end of the western part > [@SauravT](#): > > If we are extending till 1648, we might as well extend till 1683 to see the Winged Hussars arriving!! That would be too big of an stretch from the current 1598 limit ---
**Author:** ![casusincorrabil](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@casusincorrabil](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/casusincorrabil)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2022, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/33 "2022-05-29T08:23:29Z")
other question: Polynesians - put in Asia or make a new page for “Oceania” civ concepts? ---
**Author:** ![AbledManatee867](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/abledmanatee867/32/106418_2.png) [@AbledManatee867](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/AbledManatee867)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/34 "2022-05-29T13:38:26Z")
[Daylamites](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/new-civ-idea-daylamites/169409/11) are from [Daylam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylam#:~:text=Daylam%2C%20also%20known%20in%20the,inhabitants%2C%20known%20as%20the%20Daylamites.) region of Persia. It should be added to Persian category together with Alans, Sogdians and Afghans. ---
**Author:** ![casusincorrabil](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@casusincorrabil](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/casusincorrabil)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2022, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/35 "2022-05-29T14:16:43Z")
Isn’t it in the right category? I named it “fertile crescent” but mean is the region between anatolia and the indus. I didn’t wanted to separate too much but it was clear to me that i have to put something “in between” europe and east asia. ---
**Author:** ![AbledManatee867](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/abledmanatee867/32/106418_2.png) [@AbledManatee867](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/AbledManatee867)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/36 "2022-05-29T14:24:51Z")
Fertile Crescent span only small west part of Persia. It doesn’t include Daylamites, Alan, Sogdian and Afghan lands. This hub needs Persia and Eurasian Steppe regions. I don’t see any civ proposal that belongs Fertile Crescent btw. > **[Fertile Crescent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertile_Crescent)** > > The Fertile Crescent is a crescent-shaped region in the Middle East, spanning modern-day Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Israel, Jordan, and Northern Egypt, together with the northern region of Kuwait, southeastern region of Turkey and the western portion of Iran. Some authors also include Cyprus. > The region is one of the cradles of civilization because it is one location where settled farming first emerged as people started the process of clearance and modification of natural vegetation to gro... ---
**Author:** ![casusincorrabil](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@casusincorrabil](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/casusincorrabil)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/37 "2022-05-29T14:29:23Z")
I named it fertile crescent cause the other names that came to mind were politically incorrect. I rather prefer using a name that isn’t geologically accurate than using a name some people may find offensive. I asked for a different naming before I opened this but nobody came along so I sticked with it. But if you have a better name please tell me. ---
**Author:** ![Apocalypso4826](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/apocalypso4826/32/75648_2.png) [@Apocalypso4826](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Apocalypso4826)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2022, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/38 "2022-05-29T15:43:46Z")
Hi, I also made a Polynesians idea that you may want to link. [Civilization Craft: Polynesians](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/civilization-craft-polynesians/205003) ---
**Author:** ![Apocalypso4826](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/apocalypso4826/32/75648_2.png) [@Apocalypso4826](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Apocalypso4826)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2022, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/39 "2022-05-29T15:44:53Z")
> [@casusincorrabil](#): > > Polynesians - put in Asia or make a new page for “Oceania” civ concepts? New page for Oceania concepts. I also have a Micronesians civ I’m going to post at some point. Now I see why it isn’t linked. ---
**Author:** ![Zero17893](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/zero17893/32/131639_2.png) [@Zero17893](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Zero17893)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2022, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999/40 "2022-05-29T16:18:47Z")
Thanks a lot for your mention! These links will be so useful to me! My next concept will be Swedes 😉 [Previous page](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/hub-civilization-concepts/204999.md?page=3)