# I don't think AOE 4 really needs more civs atleast for 1 year **URL:** \ **Category:** IV - Discussion\ **Created:** [August 27, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125 "2021-08-27T19:46:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TheFibrewire](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/thefibrewire/32/63441_2.png) [@TheFibrewire](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TheFibrewire)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/1 "2021-08-27T19:46:52Z")
First fix what we currently have, tone them nicely, oil them nicely and let people have fun and get proficient at existing ones, then from the learning devs get add new civs. All the civs currently provide very unique playsytles without becoming too much different. All have good counters and weakness. So maybe things should just calmdown after release. ---
**Author:** ![ReanuKeeves00](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/reanukeeves00/32/65966_2.png) [@ReanuKeeves00](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ReanuKeeves00)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/2 "2021-08-27T19:48:11Z")
I think that 1 year is not a long time in AoE franchise. I mean, people are still playing 20 year old games 11 So yeah, I think that the first year would be way too early for any expansions. Time will be needed to establish a meta with the existing stuff for sure. ---
**Author:** ![falcon0920](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/falcon0920/32/94237_2.png) [@falcon0920](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/falcon0920)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/3 "2021-08-28T06:36:54Z")
I want to learn and play all civs properly and this takes time. I think 8 civs are enough for the beginings. ---
**Author:** ![TheFibrewire](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/thefibrewire/32/63441_2.png) [@TheFibrewire](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TheFibrewire)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/4 "2021-08-28T06:52:10Z")
Exactly same here. Just give us some breathing time. ---
**Author:** ![ReTuRnOfpRaCtIs](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/returnofpractis/32/91192_2.png) [@ReTuRnOfpRaCtIs](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ReTuRnOfpRaCtIs)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/5 "2021-08-28T07:18:14Z")
As long as the original 8 are balanced well first then I don’t see the problem of adding more afterwards. Sure, give it plenty of time to make sure they’re balanced but might not have to be a full year. ---
**Author:** ![Fyrapan90](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/fyrapan90/32/102513_2.png) [@Fyrapan90](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Fyrapan90)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/6 "2021-08-28T09:59:54Z")
Exactly, the 8 civilizations that will be at launch are more than enough to keep us busy for at least a year, so let the developers add more civilizations at their own pace so they make them as great as possible. I just don’t want them to add just for the sake of doing it, then we have the same issue that AoE2DE has in my opinion with way too many civilizations and too little difference between most of them. ---
**Author:** ![PreliatorMax099](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/preliatormax099/32/92276_2.png) [@PreliatorMax099](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/PreliatorMax099)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/7 "2021-08-28T10:14:58Z")
Based on the expansion release dates for both AoE2 and 3 there seems to be a one year gap between each one. Though, they could release a single civ and push it out every six to eight months or so. Anyways, just waiting for the day I can weeb out and play the Japanese. ---
**Author:** ![MinusKollege](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/minuskollege/32/84860_2.png) [@MinusKollege](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/MinusKollege)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/8 "2021-08-30T07:35:03Z")
Why are you even telling us that they need “breathing time” like a concerned mother? What should that accomplish? You can be sure they already have plans when to release what. And if we go by AOE2DE’s and AOE3DE’s content drops, they don’t give a damn about good balance on release. I’d argue that they overpower the new content on purpose to create hype and force people to buy. Then nerf it back into a kinda balanced state after a while (or leave it in the dirt… _\*Sad steppe lancer noises_\*). It’s a win-win for them: Dumb people love the new content since they can own with it, and people who don’t like OP civs will love them for patching it and for “understanding and reacting to the community’s concerns”. They basically create a problem on purpose to then solve. It’s kinda genius 🧂 🧂 🧂 ---
**Author:** ![Aetium6665](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/aetium6665/32/76749_2.png) [@Aetium6665](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Aetium6665)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/9 "2021-08-30T08:01:46Z")
Yes , We need to have a balanced core of vanilla Civs before any expansions ---
**Author:** ![Aetium6665](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/aetium6665/32/76749_2.png) [@Aetium6665](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Aetium6665)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/10 "2021-08-30T08:05:01Z")
> [@PreliatorMax099](#): > > 3 there seems to be a one year gap between each one. United States civ was added to AoE3DE 6 months after launch ---
**Author:** ![Krasitto5951](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/krasitto5951/32/58855_2.png) [@Krasitto5951](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Krasitto5951)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/11 "2021-08-30T09:39:35Z")
they are money hungry. they wont pass a year without releasing a civ. ---
**Author:** ![falcon0920](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/falcon0920/32/94237_2.png) [@falcon0920](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/falcon0920)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/12 "2021-08-30T09:50:48Z")
I suspect that they make more than 8 civs but 8 civs are in main game. After release they dont need to make new civs because they are ready afterall ---
**Author:** ![JeromAoE](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/jeromaoe/32/58142_2.png) [@JeromAoE](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/JeromAoE)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/13 "2021-08-30T11:31:34Z")
I’d argue that for aoe3DE the continuous trickle of new civs is really bothersome. At least so far some new civs have created serious balance issues. I’d rather see them put in more effort to balancing and making the current civs fun than see them continuously release new poorly balanced civs while ignoring existing issues. ---
**Author:** ![Kotoko4995](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/kotoko4995/32/65855_2.png) [@Kotoko4995](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Kotoko4995)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/14 "2021-08-30T13:32:39Z")
Need a Korean civilization 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Scintilus](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/scintilus/32/211659_2.png) [@Scintilus](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Scintilus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-dont-think-aoe-4-really-needs-more-civs-atleast-for-1-year/168125/15 "2021-08-30T14:09:06Z")
I want Japanese and Korean civs especially an Imjin War campaign. **1 Year** without new civs for an AoE game? I disagree, **atleast 6 months after** would be great to add more civs and more campaigns alongside new game modes. The 4 campaigns of the base game is nothing compared to the multiple campaigns of AoE 2 DE while we are getting mod support at 2022.