I hate this game

Also, I don’t have the money to own a car. But disregarding the car factor entirely, I HAVE tried to “learn” to play. Last year some user (I believe it was TheConqueror753) sent me a PDF released by Hera (if I remember correctly) with build orders. What do you guess I did with it? Read it carefully and try to apply them to my matches? Or think it was incredibly complicated, ignore them, and keep stumbling like a f******* one-legged man?

That can be frustrating. I don’t use build orders either. But what I’ve done is watch a butt-ton of competitive play, thanks to T90, and I’ve picked up a few tricks from that. You might find doing the same thing helpful.

I think the same starting elo issue. But anyways ranked players are more competitive. I don’t know why you lose or how much you know about the game but try looking for build order videos from youtube and try them out.

No.

I’ve known it since year 2000; I’ve picked it up again on 2020. I’m aware of the importance of economy; I know unit counters, and some HP, attack and armor data. I’m not ignorant. I’m just INCAPABLE OF IMPROVING.

This sounds good. I mean, just watching the general gameplay and picking up things instead of following obsesson-ridden instructions.

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If you refuse to learn build orders, it sounds more like unwilling, rather than incapable.

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I posted this to a similar player in AoE3 who was running into trouble and the same applies here, I think.

The short version:
The statistics that AoE2 uses assume that any player who starts playing ranked is going to be able to beat 50% of the online ranked playerbase. This is almost never true for a new (or returning!) player, so the system will overestimate your skills until you’ve done a bunch of matches.

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I’ve played it in the 2000s too. A lot has changed since then. You can either join twitch and follow some pro players closely or read through build order guides. I’d recommend taking a look here:
Build Order Guide

Watch a video, learn fc into knight. you will be able to beat quite a few people

These obession-ridden instructions are the result of many years of players “studyng” the game. You can take the BO as recipe, or try to understand why BO tells you that 3 vils in wood is enought if you want to go for scout rush. With these knowledge, you can start improving and adapting.
You can play hundread of games, but if you don’t check the recs, don’t “study” those games, you are only feeding your frustration.

At least, in my experience, if you play knowing what are you doing, the game is far more enjoyable. Even if you lose, because you can understand why you lose.

I don’t think it’s refusal. I think he has the same problem I do: he knows he’s not going to retain the information.

Why do you want to place yourself among “the really talented people” if you can’t/won’t do what they did to get there (and what you’d need to keep up with them)? Seems like setting yourself up for disappointment.
Grinding the ladder isn’t for everybody, and if you find it’s not for you, take other peoples’ advice and take a break or engage with the game in another way (SP, Lobbies, whatever). Or again, keep at it a bit longer until you reach your true elo, and you will be matched against similarly skilled opponents in ranked.

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Then it sounds like an issue of lack of practice. I could totally be wrong about that, others may just retain (or otherwise) information in a way that seems alien/inconceivable to me.

Well, I know I typically have difficulty retaining information without some kind of visual stimulus to make it stick. I’m a highly visual learner, and basically don’t learn any other way except through music.

If you could Post a link to one of your Games im sure someone Here can give a handful of good tips.
What ELO are you atm?

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Someone posted exactly the same post in aoe3… “i can’t win a single game”…calm down you will win eventually after losing a bunch at beginning

Build orders can only get you so far. The problem with following build orders blindly is when somebody counters your strategy then the build order falls apart. You need to know when to adapt and switch to a different build order if the original plan has failed. E.g. You go scouts but the opponent is fully walled and eventually up to castle age before you. Or you go feudal archers and the enemy has too many skirms with armour and fletching. Obviously your decision making at that point should be to recognise that the opponent has invested a lot of food into fletching, armour and skirmishers, but meanwhile you’ve only invested in fletching so you will have a lot more food to get up to Castle Age before him and get crossbow and bodkin to kill his skirms.

Once you hit Castle Age and beyond, the sheer chaos of the game means your brain cannot process everything at once so you have to simplify decisions, because it cannot retain every single step of a long build order. That’s why I use Survivalist’s Heroku app so I know approximately how much of each resource I need per military unit. In my head I know I need 6 on food and 6 on gold to make constant knights from one stable. So if I’m going 2 stable knights, just double it, so I’ll need 12 on food 12 on gold. Constant villagers need 6 on food per TC so if I’m going 3x TC in castle age, I need 18 on food just for villager production. Then add on the 2 stables for knights and it’s 18 farms for villagers + 12 farms + 12 gold miners for knights = 30 farms + 12 on gold. So you see it’s much easier to not get overwhelmed with your economy and macro management if you break down the essence of build orders into smaller parts which are much easier to remember. And the other advantage of this “bitesize” approach is you can change your mind and distribute your villagers onto resources differently in order to transition into different military units without needing to completely learn a whole new build order from scratch when your opponent counters the original strategy you planned.

How is your hotkeys setup? Because you simply cannot improve at this game without hotkeys and fast keystrokes. Once you understand all the units, counters and basic build orders, it’s often not your brain or your game knowledge which is holding you back. You get to the point where you know what you need to do, you know the tech trees and counters fairly well, but your mechanical skills are not as fast as your brain. Drill your hotkeys and improve your APM, get really good at the mechanical side of the game, then add that onto your build order knowledge and everything else will fall into place. Also I think you simply haven’t played enough ranked games to get to your natural ELO. Play at least 10x consecutive ranked games win or lose and once you start winning 50% of your games, you’ll know you’re at the right ELO level. Don’t be put off by a losing streak. It happens even at the highest level over 2k+ ELO. Every single player (apart from like the very elite top 0.5% of players or something) loses around half their games. Once you accept that, you will start appreciating the game more. Enjoy the fact that you will learn more from your losses and improve more when you lose. But only if you’re willing to swallow your pride and revisit your losses with a notepad.

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There’s a mod called “Interactive Build Order Guide” by Cicero. The build orders included there are slow by today’s standards but for starting out in online, they’re absolutely fine. You are narrated through the build order so it’s easy to pick up if you practice over and over :slight_smile: Can only give the same tip to @Gargarensis

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Watch some tutorials on youtube and replicate them against AI till you get the structure right and timing then test it against ranked?

So you hate this game, by your own admission, have no talent, and don’t want to practice build orders. Okay, maybe this game isn’t for you then. I don’t know what to tell you, everybody here has gone through this process.

Or, take your own pill:

Stop making your psychological issues worse. You are being hysterical. Take a chill pill, learn a few build orders. You don’t even have to learn tight build orders, you can pick loose ones. Loose build orders don’t prescribe when to take a boar, or when exactly to send vils to berries. They will just ask you to put x on food, y on wood, and z on gold.

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I’ve checked out the “buildorderguide” site that was recommended to me. In the front page, all of them have these tags: “fast feudal” and “fast castle”. When I reach Castel age I don’t have enough resources to do everything I want. My solution? Advance to Feudal with 40 villagers and to Castle with 50. That’s a lot more that these build orders instruct. There’s a serious snag with this economic stategy, and if you’re still reading this you’ll realise it: my opponent will PROBABLY SCOUT RUSH / ARCHER RUSH ME BEFORE I’VE EVEN ADVANCED TO FEUDAL. The probability of that happening is quite high precisely because EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE FOLLOWING THOSE GOD **** BUILD ORDERS .

In my latest games in Ranked I’ve tested this strategy and I wall up with Palisades before my opponent has a chance to attack me. One of them came up with two Men at arms and tore down a tile of palisade as if it was made of paper. The following match I did manage to hold on, but resigned when my opponent’s score was 2000 higher than me. See? SEE??? I CAN’T MAKE THIS FIT. I still don’t understand what I’m doing wrong; how is it that my opponents don’t instantly kill me but grow so much.

Oh, the IA. I did manage to beat the IA on hard quite a few times. Do you know how I did it? I placed Outposts surrounding it’s base. Yes; that worked. I have no idea why, but strating from there I could place military buildings right next to the IA’s base and counter every unit with which it tried to defend itself. There was a fun secondary effect: it the Outpost was next to a mine or berry bush, with IA villagers working on them, they would start having seizures, evidently trying to decide which direction to go.

Then I tried to do that to humans. It was a disaster.

Heh…there was a reason for me saying that.


About my ELO: indeed, I started at 1000 and it has been dropping consistently. I still haven’t played the 10 recommended matches; I think I’ve played (and lost) 8, and my ELO is… 500?