# I open the debate, make your tier list **URL:** \ **Category:** III - Discussion\ **Created:** [December 6, 2023, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-open-the-debate-make-your-tier-list/245303 "2023-12-06T22:01:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![OperaticShip743](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/operaticship743/32/104612_2.png) [@OperaticShip743](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/OperaticShip743)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-open-the-debate-make-your-tier-list/245303/23 "2023-12-10T22:52:34Z")
According to your conclusions, the Ottomans are a civilization that is fine, but not broken, even though many people complain about it. ---
**Author:** ![Nevonidas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/nevonidas/32/148354_2.png) [@Nevonidas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Nevonidas)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-open-the-debate-make-your-tier-list/245303/25 "2023-12-10T23:49:54Z")
1vs1 supremacy ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/a/5/a54f2cd8a31826d43aaa1415b61dc0ae191ba466.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![TheDunamai](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/thedunamai/32/185350_2.png) [@TheDunamai](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TheDunamai)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2023, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-open-the-debate-make-your-tier-list/245303/26 "2023-12-11T00:45:33Z")
Fun factor, irrespective of balance. ![Untitled](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/a/c/accc5f94c4d3d1d348cbcc28a9d1f8c2254f00b4.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Moonshadow7475](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Moonshadow7475](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Moonshadow7475)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2023, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-open-the-debate-make-your-tier-list/245303/27 "2023-12-11T20:09:21Z")
Tier list according to forum perception ![my-image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/4/b/4b4c8b76f1066cdca787a969ef49ac2171332881.png) ---
**Author:** ![8ashiraid](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/8ashiraid/32/135629_2.png) [@8ashiraid](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/8ashiraid)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-open-the-debate-make-your-tier-list/245303/28 "2023-12-12T16:03:00Z")
Japan above Ethiopia and Ports xd, i can’t…my sides… ---
**Author:** ![Adribird90](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/adribird90/32/187641_2.png) [@Adribird90](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Adribird90)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-open-the-debate-make-your-tier-list/245303/29 "2023-12-12T16:42:50Z")
1vs1 sup ![my-image (1)](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/f/e/fe45d31ec4c647bbe77dce6cbb9b9e828a08704f.png) ---
**Author:** ![platypus\_slayer1](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/platypus_slayer1/32/135063_2.png) [@platypus\_slayer1](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/platypus_slayer1)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-open-the-debate-make-your-tier-list/245303/30 "2023-12-12T19:49:14Z")
hes making a meme i think on how after a decade of people being arse-blasted by shogun pooping motaru or ronin, ashi pwn everytthing builds, yumi walls into gg, etc, , people especially casual forum goers are probably forever in the “japan can just go die in the f tier for all i care” due to PTSD ---
**Author:** ![VonValinor](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/vonvalinor/32/74681_2.png) [@VonValinor](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/VonValinor)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-open-the-debate-make-your-tier-list/245303/31 "2023-12-14T12:10:29Z")
![my-image (2)](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/5/f/5fc0fbf221aba0c5aade8f378d00b84a84cc88e8.png) in treaty 40-60 ---
**Author:** ![LevitexIslam](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/levitexislam/32/68566_2.png) [@LevitexIslam](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/LevitexIslam)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:37am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-open-the-debate-make-your-tier-list/245303/32 "2024-01-08T02:37:12Z")
After the latest update, all of my tier list remains the same except Dutch gets put up to S tier. Malta still the worst. ---
**Author:** ![vanBladdeck](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/vanbladdeck/32/59900_2.png) [@vanBladdeck](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/vanBladdeck)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2024, 3:03am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-open-the-debate-make-your-tier-list/245303/33 "2024-01-09T03:03:08Z")
My reaction, when i play random civ and get… ![my-image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/6/6/66f9249a75184e0773f438aacd4e1420f3335171.png) ---
**Author:** ![Moonshadow7475](https://forums.ageofempires.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Moonshadow7475](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Moonshadow7475)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2024, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-open-the-debate-make-your-tier-list/245303/34 "2024-01-09T10:39:53Z")
Dutch did get overbuffed recently. [Previous page](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/i-open-the-debate-make-your-tier-list/245303.md?page=1)