Why can’t the Jäger inside the Swede’s church card be sent out in the second era, when it’s clear that the Swedes have a hard time dealing with countries with Skirmishers. It’s also hard for cavalry to mow down Skirmishers protected by musketeers. besides the Jäger is poor value for money. Why can’t it come out of the second era?
They get solid age2 artillery that can survive a Culverin shot unlke Gats or Organs, their musks are really good and get busted in age3 and their cavalry options are also solid.
Yes they are not that strong rn in 1v1 but they surely don’t need age2 skirms and definately not age3 units like Jägers or the even stronger Savalox Jäger.
Also you can get skirmisher units on most maps as merc/native/outlaw if you really need it.
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You mean the Leather Cannon? He only has 50% long range defence and only 150 blood. movement speed is 3 he can even be killed by a musketeer
HP is 170 and with 50% rr that’s still 340 in range and it shoots pikes, skirms and bows down in one shot and doesn’t die to culverin later on. and the musketeers will have to get through Caroleans first to get to the artillery
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Have you considered being attacked from both directions?
But the reality is that the Leather Cannon sucks, I’ve played with the Leather Cannon before, and it doesn’t blast Janissary at all.
That’s because Jans are OP lol. Also it takes the same time to kill a jan as it takes for another musketeer which is honestly quite good
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That would then also destroy you if you use skirmishers…
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You don’t think they’ll run away, and there’s a big difference between the speed of the Leather Cannon and Caroline’s, they can deal with Caroline first when chasing her down
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say rn. Leather cannons behave like beefy skirms that are a bit slower and caro are faster so they can always be there to protect
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The Leather Cannon has poor manoeuvrability, resulting in this one it will not be able to catch up with the enemy
as long as you can catch up to the enemy base and destroy it you’re fine XD
and skirms like Jäger are also not fast enough to catch up
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Are you sure the leather guns will be cut down by the cavalry on the march?
but so would skirmishers
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isnt the issue for sweden they kind of have zip vs goons, not that they struggle into light infanty per se but the skirm goon combo?
This discussion is pointless, Sweden does not struggle against infantry, let alone skirmishers if you know what you’re doing. You have crossbow and huss in Age 2 like most other civs and you can get industrial infantry guns in fortress when everyone gets their skirms, if you really want to tech into them you can even get trunion which gets them to 3.95 speed in fortress if speed is such a big problem (it is not). What’s with these bad takes lately?
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It could be worth considering a 1.2x in range vs light cavalry on Caros.
Beyond that Sweden doesn’t need any buffs atm.
They do need a late game pike nerf, and the church uped Jaegers are too good atm.
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Right that was kind of my understanding was its the goon that they’re struggle into unless they get a hakks swarm
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as a side note what language are you translating from? It’s fascinating to see “HP” translated as “blood” 
Considering that they beat up most things in melee, beat musks and Heavy Cav in ranged and can outrange standard goon units I would politely disagree.
And age3 they get instant access to Jäger which as you said can also be made stronger and cheaper+ better on the long term eco so the only tweak would be needed in age2 - idk how since an Azap type unit would be pretty disgusting in combination with Leathers.