Ideas for Russia Age 3 Gameplay

[JordiGarLee]

Tis been a while since I made a 6 hour “Portfolio” on the forums …

Related links to stuff and things

On a related note, I made this nerdy topic thread some time ago on grenadiers, I’ll leave the link for background:

https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/where-is-the-fine-line-at-siege-unit-balancing-the-grenade-trooper-case/255266

Also made a quick google search on Pavlov grenadiers, just for historical reference and for kicks…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlovsky_Life_Guards_Regiment

And also the link to a Youtube cast of “forum fighters 2”, where the chad @AssertiveWall20 fought me with GRENADIERS in age 2 and made it look cool. Btw, thx for the cast @platypus_slayer1, I’ll like and leave a comment in support of thy channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_yOCmNsdT0&t=4s

Hope the wacky censor doesn’t put the “###” all over the links… again :v

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Ok then…

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@AssertiveWall20

What we need is to give Russia a special grenade launcher card that buffs them more than standard grens. What do you think @JordiGarLee ?

Using the quote below as a base for balancing all grenadiers…

@JordiGarLee

If I had the authority to balance them, I’d try:

• Attack and siege attack range both increased from 12 to 14 (matching with humbaracis)
• Ranged unit siege damage increased from 16 to 17, area of effect reduced from 3 to 2,5 (Favor base damage over aoe).
• Multiplier against infantry increased from 1 to 1,5, and from 1 to 3 against ships (Improving the intended falconet role).
• Building siege attack increased from 41 to 45 (Justifying their purchase for “advanced siege purposes”).
• Ranged multiplier against cavalry changed from 0,4 to 0,3 (To make the counter more obvious).

If I were a developer with the authority (and code skills) to balance Russian grenadiers, as to make them more unique and balanced for all ages, I’d start by:

• Naming them “Moscow grenadiers” (The Pavlov regiment was formed from 2 detached battalions of Moscow grenadiers, 1796), then naming them “Pavlov grenadiers” when the guard tech is researched.
• Applying the Russian tradition of making units weaker but cheaper to grenadiers as well, but proportionally, enough to make them cost just 1 population (I think it’s usually 25% less resources and train time for 20% less HP and attack (Used rekrut for that referenced stat))
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• Now they are more unique, historical, and easier to use in age 2, but for an extra quirk, we could spice the “grenade launchers card” with “… and all artillery foundries do a one-time muster of 2 Moscow grenadiers each.” Nothing too OP, yet still neat in a pinch.
• If devs wanted to give Russia some extra love, they could also include an age 2 card named "Battle of ########### which increases Moscow grenadier melee damage by 10% and changes melee multiplier to cavalry from 0,3 to 0,5 (Pavlov regiments were notorious for fending off multiple french cavalry charges), cav would still counter them, but not as hard, still expensive for an extra card slot, experimenting is required for balance.

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As for the the other points…

@PerseusLegends4

Age 3 card that sends 3 cavalry archers and 1 culverin (980 resources). Helps survive the age 3 timing attacks

Sure, why not, It’s around the standard age 3 card values.

@PerseusLegends4

Church card sends a free church, making Westernization more accessible for veteran-level units at Age 3

I always use the card, but to get around the investment in a fast fortress, people should use cav archers and oprichniks as they are already veteran, and then save for the church and the tech, with those logistics, I’ts not justified adding the church wagon.

@PerseusLegends4

Adjust Westernization to 300W and 500G (from 400W and 400G). With the resource cost the same at 800 res, the tech is more accessible due to faster gold gathering and indirectly helps Russia by saving a little wood for a house to mass up.

The tech as it is saves you 1200 resources, it feels a bit op to be honest hahah, I wouldn’t adjust the costs, besides, gold or wood is more situational.

@PerseusLegends4

Lacking in any power-spike Age 3 type cards, an age 3 card costing 300 food for 9 oprichniks that increases oprichnik speed by 5%. Enough of a potent force to decently raid and force FF civs to adjust army comps, indirectly helping Russia’s survivability and granting an offensive option for Russia than just “massing and praying to survive” in age 3

@Kingfisher1787

Only thing I wouldn’t do here is the 5% speed for opris. Cost reduce the cost to 250f if needed. Opris can get pretty annoying and in general a philosophy of “avoid annoying things” is a good philosophy.

Yeah… I wouldn’t adjust speed either, but a big siege party card could be fun, like it sending a big bunch of oprichniks and petards for a fair cost.