If skirmishers did bonus damage to cavalry?

[JokerPenguin593]

@BomberGriffin

Our caveman ancestors took down Woolly Mammoths with javelins.

Skirms do have a bonus against elephant archers…

[MatCauthon3]

@phoenix1089

@MatCauthon3

if they got bonus damage vs cavalry units they will become effective vs cavalry,

@MatCauthon3

we aren’t exaggerating

Oh really?? Sure looks like it…

But OP burnt himself proving he did want the exaggerated view point… Which is just absurd…

the op hinted at them having serious anti cav damage in his initial post, so no, i wasn’t exaggerating.

@BomberGriffin

From what I understand, javelins were pretty damaging to cavalry units in real life. In fact, javelins hurt like hell. It’s a throwing spear, that’s going to do some damage.

and followed it up with this little line here.

@BomberGriffin

And cavalry may need to be even stronger to off-set the new bonus.

which clearly means the buff to skirms would be significant enough to warrant a buff to the cavalry units to maintain balance. which would literally then require a buff to archers to maintain the knight/archer balance, and then create even more balance changes.

[Chakalmax]

It would be a bad design:

• In feudal, skirm counters archer and spearman. In group they even counter Maa because of hit and run tactics. They only get destroy by scout (and by a huge margin) So even with +1 bonus damage, as long as you get 10+ skirm, you will be able to counter everything in feudal? Sound crazy

• In castle, the strongest units are knight and crossbow. You want to make them effective against these units? Even +1 dmg will be too much. It will be age of skirms and mangonel (since mango will be the only counter to skirms?)

• In Imp, they could get it, cav are so fast and so numberous. But only viet (and their allies) can upgrade eSkirms. If you give +1 dmg to cav to imperial skirm, it won’t be a problem (i guess).

But a unique tech that gives bonus damage (+2 max) against cav could be… interesting?

[Jackbrick]

You’re right. I’m not sure if I want talk about this anymore. Since, this buff would break the game if skirmisher had this bonus.

Moving on.

[TougherTrack508]

@phoenix1089

@TougherTrack508

said in favour of bonus damage against elephants just from the realism perspective

Imo Total war still has one of the most realistic counter systems /unit purposes, and javs do bonus damage to eles afaik. So could work. But with yet another ele counter imo they would need to buff eles even further…

Maybe reducing the spearline anti-elephant damage would be enough, and could be good for both 1v1 and team games? Spears are more useful in 1v1s because there might not be any archers around, whereas I imagine skirmishers could be easier to protect in team games (particularly comparing Khmer pocket with Khmer 1v1). On the other hand, such a change could really mess with Vietnamese If I recall correctly BE are currently one of Vienamese best counters to skirmishers (since they lack Hussar and Blast Furnace).

probably not a good idea all things considered.

[CombatWombatt23]

@BomberGriffin

From what I understand, javelins were pretty damaging to cavalry units in real life.

I’m pretty sure javelins are pretty damaging to ALL forms of life, though, so no reason to have a bonus vs cav