I meant being fan of both AoE2 and AoE3
I think 3K would have been a better fit for AoE1. That game is in dire need of some updates.
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Iâll be real the campaigns feel like they were trying to rip-off dynasty warriors, especially because a lot of Hero characters look like how they do in Dynasty Warriors, the most immediate example is Lu Bu.
Lets not forget this is the same masmorra that really really tried to get SOTL to shill for aoe4 during their interview but the latter stuck to his principles and just said things as they actually were
masmorra regardless of his reasons has a clear bias to defend whatever slop might come out of WE, its not my problem why he does what he does, but you all should know better than to trust someone thatâs given insider info with most likely WEâs permission blindly.
Regarding WEâs behaviour since 2022, if the community is played by them so easily and supports the slop being put out, then the community straight up deserves what theyâre getting, thats what being gullible does to you, applies to all areas of life btw not just here
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Correction: AOE2 players: I will boycott this game and never buy another DLC again until you remove or replace these short lived dynasties, which you forced upon us, from the ranked queue and tournaments - they break the spirit of the game completely.
Correction: AOE3 players: Please, finish the DLC you teased and promised us before retiring the game. Thatâs the least you can do - donât announce DLCs that you then shelve indefinitely/permanently.
Big difference in both cases.
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And it was the 3DE community who started holding WE accountable when things were going south way back then. Iâd rather go out the way 3DE did than for WE to further ruin the game because of incompetence and greed. Sure, WE won in the end, but if you look at any given social media post, youâll see people havenât forgotten, much to the chagrin of WE.
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Iâm still of the opinion they never even began work on said DLC
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I wasnât trying to create an entirely accurate depiction of the situation, I really just wanted to reflect the tenor of the playerbases.
AOE2 has had it so good for so long, developers who actually want to continue pushing the game, and enough diehard player interest and surrounding streamer support that itâs feasible to do so⊠and you look at AOE3, the odd child of the series which really got tanned for some risque design choices thatâs haunted it all throughout itâs tenor, but a solid game in and of itself that has players who would kill to be in the situation where AOE3 could have twenty thousand concurrent players to potentially disappoint.
You are disappointed by the DLC, and you have every right to be, but realize that even that opportunity is a luxury that you should be happy about. Some perspective to consider.
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if there was anything done on baltic dlc we wouldâve probably seen it via steamdb entries but to my knowledge nothing ever appeared, so saying they never even started working on it probably isnât far from reality of the situation
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This is whatâs the most disgusting about the situation.
This whole deal with aoe3 and now with 3K in aoe2 is just corporate stuff. Aoe3DE was losing players? yes, but at a âhealthyâ rate with increase in players when DLC were released. Thus, having a slow but steady increase in players just like any other game thatâs old and itâs attracting new players here and there. That considering aoe3 always had a smaller playerbase than aoe2, etc. But I guess that wasnât enough for WE, they saw the numbers and thought it was âtoo lowâ compared to aoe2 and other games. So they made it free. That decision opened up a path of perfect excuses to kill aoe3. Something like âItâs a free game now and still doesnât have that many players. Itâs done for. There is nothing we can do. Letâs kill itâ. And that was it. Just a lazy decision from a dinosaur executive who doesnât understand the game.
Now 3K in aoe2 is just the same kind of result from a lazy decision from people who donât care about the game. âOh letâs attract more players, our target is the chinese market. What do we know about china? Nothing. Letâs google popular chinese stuff. Yeah, that will give us moneyâ.
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its microsoft, they only use bing
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This is the most insulting part to me
They didnât make Cumans, Burgundians, Poles, Bengalis, or even Khitans, etc. âbecause it is pOpUlArâ, or at least that is not their and their shillsâ reasoning
And all of a sudden, when the perfect opportunity comes to make a proper East Asian DLC with good civ choices and campaigns for the civs that lacked them mostââthey abandoned their principles and went chasing something PoPuLaR
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I have also added your own edit which you DMd me because you had not been able to edit your post - thank you. As for the point youâre trying to make - it was obvious from the get go. To shorten it: be glad that Aoe2 de is still updated even though you donât like something from time to time, because Aoe3 de has been killed off completely.
My/our point is also obvious and very easy to grasp. And it goes like this: We would LOVE new DLCs and to see our beloved games updated and supported for as long as possible. But weâd rather see them die than to see monstrous chimeras with Warcraft 3 mechanics, ancient kingdoms and overall spirit of the games violated to the point weâre disgusted to even watch tournaments and play ranked matches.
Itâs understandable that they want to kill Aoe3, but they should show enough respect to finish the anticipated DLC that they themselves announced. Itâs also understandable that they misstep with aoe2, but once they do and the community is very unhappy, they gotta fix the problems and they gotta listen to their faithful community, if they want to continue bringing new stuff into the game. Thatâs it.
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Chinese money is one hell of a drug, Iâve seen the gacha game industry.
Donât you think there is a lack of updates? The last one was needed (Khitans nerfed) but pretty minimal.
Where are the Khitans in âInto Chinaâ and âTemujinâ scenarios?
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Good point!
Also note the lack of anything for any other civs. Gurjaras are doing as poorly as Wei & Jurchens, but they didnât get touched. This feels like a âdamage controlâ patch. To stop the pros complaining in their private discord and to stop the complaints that this is a pay-to-win DLC which are likely harming sales.
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The âit sellsâ argument does not even hold.
Civ 7 sells, very well:
https://www.reddit.com/r/civ/comments/1kluj5q/civilization_vii_is_so_far_the_8th_bestselling/
But its reception is bad. Player community (aka âthe loud minorityâ) is discontent. Many new designs the devs tried to push were flawed, unfinished, and disliked.
And what did Firaxis do? (Remember they were under 2K, a corporate that sucks)
They didnât go all-in to their decisions hardheaded. They promised (at least) refinement of the system to address the exact criticism (in bullet points), and options to bypass some of the disliked designs.
Had WE ever admitted mistakes?
âJust like how you enjoyed Victors and Vanquished!â
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Except this 3K DLC flopped in China and chinese players hate it, calling it the mulan2020 of DLCs.
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As much as I hate the 3K DLC Iâll have to disagree with this. Every DLC gets that complaint so itâs irrelevant.
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Not every DLC had a civ with a 60% win-rate right out the gate that had the pros THIS up in arms.
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Youâll be crying the river yourself when you have 1k concurrent players in 2 expacs time
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