# Imagining the Tartar civilization **URL:** \ **Category:** III - Discussion\ **Created:** [September 13, 2026, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/imagining-the-tartar-civilization/289557 "2026-09-13T12:05:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 4
**Author:** ![GoldenArmorX](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/goldenarmorx/32/30565_2.png) [@GoldenArmorX](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/GoldenArmorX)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2026, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/imagining-the-tartar-civilization/289557/4 "2026-09-13T15:16:50Z")
> [@MMXDXK](#): > > As we all know, “Tatar” has always been a general term used to refer to people from the Crimean Peninsula to the Mongolian Plateau. Nobody would consider it offensive to use this term. Well… Sorry, the Tatars was not a Country. Wasn´t even a demonym, but a _ **Umbrella term** _ to describe every people (turkic or not), from the East of the Tsardom of Russia, without distinction. ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/d/b/db74504acc878eefcab3931f8e8c7eb52e91f614.png) ### About being offensive or a minconception (Yeah, it is) I don’t know where you got the idea that it isn’t offensive; those people are called Turks, not Tatars. In fact, the entire description of “Tatars” is a fictional European construct created after 1300 to fill in an area on the map that was difficult to visit or chart; mapmakers simply used the name _ **“Tartaria”** _ to fill the space between Russia and China. [https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-people-have-negative-stereotypes-about-Tatars-and-is-there-any-truth-to-them-among-Turkic-groups-like-Uzbeks-Kazakhs-or-Turks](https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-people-have-negative-stereotypes-about-Tatars-and-is-there-any-truth-to-them-among-Turkic-groups-like-Uzbeks-Kazakhs-or-Turks) ### Tartaria problem The problem is that “Tartaria” itself has been the subject of conspiracy theories regarding an exotic land of that name; assigning that demonym to a civilization would create a lot of confusion—especially for one that, unlike the Hausa or the Ethiopians, _ **“never fully united.”** _ > **[Tartary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartary)** > > Tartary (Latin: Tartaria; French: Tartarie; German: Tartarei; Russian: Тартария, romanized: Tartariya) or Tatary (Russian: Татария, romanized: Tatariya) was a blanket term used in Western European literature and cartography for a vast part of Asia bounded by the Caspian Sea, the Ural Mountains, the Pacific Ocean, and the northern borders of Medieval China, India, and Persia, at a time when this region was largely unknown to European geographers. The active use of the toponym (place name) can be t... > **[Tartarian Empire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartarian_Empire)** > > The Tartarian Empire or Great Tartaria is a group of pseudohistorical conspiracy theories, including ideas of a "hidden past" and "mud floods", which originated as pseudoscientific Russian nationalism. Tartary, or Tartaria, is a historical name for Central Asia and Siberia. Conspiracy theories assert that Tartary, or the Tartarian Empire, was a lost civilization with advanced technology and culture. This ignores well-documented accounts of Tartary within the history of Asia. In modern conceptio... ### Tartaria Parody I even once make a parody of Tartaria as a civilization. The goal was to explain why it isn’t a good idea to use umbrella terms or fictional countries, and I published it on April 1st: > [@Great Tartary - Civilization Concept for AoEIV \_ by GoldenArmorX](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/great-tartary-civilization-concept-for-aoeiv-by-goldenarmorx/227863): > > GREAT TARTARY CIV. CONCEPT FOR AOE IV - BY GOLDENARMORX - 1.- History The great kingdom of Tartary was the country of the Tatars, founded by the famous Khan Lu around the 13th century. This territory shared both the Chinese influence and the influence of the Rus peoples. For a long time the Greeks theorized this country as the place of the Hyperboreans, a race of giants, perhaps inspired by the height,… ![Tartary imaginary flag](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/e/3/e3b62a7dfb79b4aadcd79fdea4121c474d8a253a.jpeg) ### About nomad Civ _ **UPDATE:** _ By the way, the point of all that was to clarify the name “Tartary.” But yes, I would also like to see nomadic civilizations or ones from the Central Asian region, though I think there are better terms or factors to consider. For instance, you could use the Khanate of Bukhara, or—if you want a nomadic power from the game’s timeframe (1500–1800)—there is the Dzungar Khanate. ![image](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/a/3/a320e08a5db7cc00dbd3c54ec257fbb6c8e1ecbc.jpeg) _Dzungar Khanate limits_ --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/imagining-the-tartar-civilization/289557)._