@GepardenKalle said:
@BlazingGaming13 said:
That is true, but other than this, I don’t see any way to make composite bowmen useful, without breaking the game. So I guess we may conclude that it is best if improved bowman remain unused :P.
Well, there are two alternatives here:
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Make the Improved Bowman strong enough to be the main Bronze Age archer, and push the Composite upgrade to Iron Age. The argument being; why have all upgrades for a unit line in the same age?
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Make the Improved Bowman stronger and make the Composite upgrade significantly more expensive - but keep it in Bronze. Essentialy making the choice of producing more archers or upgrading them an interesting one (because currently it isn’t).
The first idea sounds better. But the problem is the implications. you practically would need to remove improved bowmen from Roman as it would become too OP in bronze. Minoan would be weaker, unless you give improved bowmen 7 base range. Then you could give the composite bowmen 1 pierce armor, or base armor against infantry.
@BlazingGaming13 said:
The first idea sounds better. But the problem is the implications. you practically would need to remove improved bowmen from Roman as it would become too OP in bronze. Minoan would be weaker, unless you give improved bowmen 7 base range.
Well yes, any change like that is going to need balance adjustments before it will work. I’m not so worried about the civs though, that should be easily fixed as unbalances arise. But the CA would definitely become the king of Bronze if Compies, the only counter to CA armies, were pushed to Iron. As for the Compies I think they are strong enough to be pushed to Iron, they should still be used actively, if not they can get a slight buff where needed.
@qweytr24 said:
Composite bowmen are already one of the most powerful units in bronze age and don’t need to be buffed. And improved bowmen can be very useful when used together with other units. Improved bowmen are not supposed to be a powerful unit that can singlehandedly destroy the enemy army. They are a support unit that should be used together with infantry to make the infantry less vulnerable to archers.
But if you really want to make improved bowmen useful, the best option would be to move the composite bowman to the iron age. That is unlikely to happen though, as that would be quite a big change to game balance.
Chariot archer > composite by far. Easy to dance to dodge the arrows from enemy since more mobility, more hp.
@CrashingFir9052 said:
@qweytr24 said:
Composite bowmen are already one of the most powerful units in bronze age and don’t need to be buffed. And improved bowmen can be very useful when used together with other units. Improved bowmen are not supposed to be a powerful unit that can singlehandedly destroy the enemy army. They are a support unit that should be used together with infantry to make the infantry less vulnerable to archers.
But if you really want to make improved bowmen useful, the best option would be to move the composite bowman to the iron age. That is unlikely to happen though, as that would be quite a big change to game balance.
Chariot archer > composite by far. Easy to dance to dodge the arrows from enemy since more mobility, more hp.
CAs are better than composites in most things. They raid better, can hit and run infantry and can escape from cavalry. But if you have only CAs against compies in a battle, the compies win. They are much cheaper, so you’ll have almost two compies for each CA. And once there are about ten or so compies, you can’t really dodge all the arrows even with the high mobility of the CA.
@qweytr24 said:
@CrashingFir9052 said:
@qweytr24 said:
Composite bowmen are already one of the most powerful units in bronze age and don’t need to be buffed. And improved bowmen can be very useful when used together with other units. Improved bowmen are not supposed to be a powerful unit that can singlehandedly destroy the enemy army. They are a support unit that should be used together with infantry to make the infantry less vulnerable to archers.
But if you really want to make improved bowmen useful, the best option would be to move the composite bowman to the iron age. That is unlikely to happen though, as that would be quite a big change to game balance.
Chariot archer > composite by far. Easy to dance to dodge the arrows from enemy since more mobility, more hp.
CAs are better than composites in most things. They raid better, can hit and run infantry and can escape from cavalry. But if you have only CAs against compies in a battle, the compies win. They are much cheaper, so you’ll have almost two compies for each CA. And once there are about ten or so compies, you can’t really dodge all the arrows even with the high mobility of the CA.
If archers wont hit the primary target then their arrows deal only half the damage, so the dodging will still help.
@qweytr24 said:
@CrashingFir9052 said:
@qweytr24 said:
Composite bowmen are already one of the most powerful units in bronze age and don’t need to be buffed. And improved bowmen can be very useful when used together with other units. Improved bowmen are not supposed to be a powerful unit that can singlehandedly destroy the enemy army. They are a support unit that should be used together with infantry to make the infantry less vulnerable to archers.
But if you really want to make improved bowmen useful, the best option would be to move the composite bowman to the iron age. That is unlikely to happen though, as that would be quite a big change to game balance.
Chariot archer > composite by far. Easy to dance to dodge the arrows from enemy since more mobility, more hp.
CAs are better than composites in most things. They raid better, can hit and run infantry and can escape from cavalry. But if you have only CAs against compies in a battle, the compies win. They are much cheaper, so you’ll have almost two compies for each CA. And once there are about ten or so compies, you can’t really dodge all the arrows even with the high mobility of the CA.
if your micro management sucks then yes you will lose. but if you are fast, high micro management and can dance sametime. then the compies will lose. Obviously you dont play enough of aoe games. Do you know the popular setting for viet/chinese? Kor 2.0. Check out their dancing skill lol!