# Indian and Persian Elephant suggestions **URL:** \ **Category:** II - Discussion\ **Created:** [May 14, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370 "2020-05-14T06:30:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ArshiaAghaei](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/arshiaaghaei/32/52335_2.png) [@ArshiaAghaei](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ArshiaAghaei)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/21 "2020-05-14T13:47:14Z")
> [@SauravT](#): > > Did you play Bukhara scenario? 1 Not once I remember Elephant Archers there. Also: > **[Persian war elephants](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_war_elephants)** > > War elephants were used in Iranian military history, most notably in Achaemenid, Seleucid, and Sasanian periods. These were Asian elephants recruited from the southern provinces of Iran\[citation needed\] and India, but also possibly Syrian elephants from Syria and western Iran. > The men (excluding the driver) sat in a large tower from which troops would fight. The elephant itself would normally be armed with thin plate armour (the Sassanids used chain mail as well as thin plate armour) and would b... ---
**Author:** ![SauravT](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/sauravt/32/29878_2.png) [@SauravT](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SauravT)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/22 "2020-05-14T13:50:31Z")
> [@ArshiaAghaei](#): > > I never heard about Persians using Archer Elephants in history… Also in AoE1, they had elephant archers. ---
**Author:** ![Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/juggernaut8704/32/203886_2.png) [@Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Juggernaut8704)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/23 "2020-05-14T13:52:07Z")
![](https://cdn.ageofempires.com/aoe-forums/original/3X/8/a/8a452855e34395022b68d1326fb3150178d9acff.jpeg) Picture from the Wikipedia page you linked. Persian Elephant Archers. ---
**Author:** ![SauravT](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/sauravt/32/29878_2.png) [@SauravT](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SauravT)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/24 "2020-05-14T13:52:42Z")
> [@ArshiaAghaei](#): > > Not once I remember Elephant Archers there. The hero of the scenario, appears at the start, itself is an elephant archer. > [@ArshiaAghaei](#): > > Also I read it just now. Although not completely, it had some words “tower of archers” on the elephant. The Elephants borrowed from India… ---
**Author:** ![Parthnan](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/parthnan/32/55505_2.png) [@Parthnan](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Parthnan)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/25 "2020-05-14T13:54:18Z")
> [@ArshiaAghaei](#): > > Let’s not destroy the balance of the game… How about just **ONE simple change** : _Giving Indians as they are now Regular Battle Elephants_ **Will that break the balance of the game?** (As we already know that one change will make the civilization much more recognizable and in line with history. We even have SE Asian looking straw hat people in Assam, always part of India.) I’m not even talking about touching anything else… ---
**Author:** ![ArshiaAghaei](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/arshiaaghaei/32/52335_2.png) [@ArshiaAghaei](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ArshiaAghaei)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/26 "2020-05-14T13:55:51Z")
> [@Parthnan](#): > > How about just **ONE simple change** : > _Giving Indians as they are now Regular Battle Elephants_ That falls under the topic below: > [@Indians Unique Units](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indians-unique-units/69436/256): > > Want to make the EA better? Just make them trainable at the archery range once “Sultans” is researched. Give +1 attack and range to both standard and elite. Reduce the creation time to 18 secs. And then -15 food cost. ---
**Author:** ![ArshiaAghaei](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/arshiaaghaei/32/52335_2.png) [@ArshiaAghaei](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ArshiaAghaei)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/27 "2020-05-14T13:56:42Z")
> [@SauravT](#): > > “tower of archers” on the elephant. Next word is “This is probably an exaggeration” ---
**Author:** ![SauravT](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/sauravt/32/29878_2.png) [@SauravT](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SauravT)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/28 "2020-05-14T13:57:56Z")
The word “towers” can be an exaggeration, not “archers on elephants”… How can the latter be an exaggeration! ---
**Author:** ![Parthnan](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/parthnan/32/55505_2.png) [@Parthnan](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Parthnan)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/29 "2020-05-14T13:58:38Z")
> [@ArshiaAghaei](#): > > That falls under the topic below: It falls under the current topic too. The topic is: “Indian and Persian Elephant suggestions” in case you have forgotten. Now answer my question: _Giving Indians as they are now Regular Battle Elephants_ **Will that break the balance of the game?** ---
**Author:** ![ArshiaAghaei](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/arshiaaghaei/32/52335_2.png) [@ArshiaAghaei](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ArshiaAghaei)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/30 "2020-05-14T13:59:14Z")
> [@Juggernaut8704](#): > > Persian Elephant Archers. OK, sure. My bad. But the archers were used very rarely… > [@Parthnan](#): > > Will that break the balance of the game? No, but giving Persians Ele Archers will **ruin** the civ. ---
**Author:** ![Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/juggernaut8704/32/203886_2.png) [@Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Juggernaut8704)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/31 "2020-05-14T14:00:07Z")
LoL that’s funny. @SauravT and @ArshiaAghaei there’s no point in fighting over this point. Indians and Persians both used melee and archer mounted elephants. ---
**Author:** ![Parthnan](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/parthnan/32/55505_2.png) [@Parthnan](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Parthnan)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/32 "2020-05-14T14:00:28Z")
> [@ArshiaAghaei](#): > > No, but giving Persians Ele Archers will **ruin** the civ. So we agree! The ONLY change that is necessary to happen is for the Indians! And that giving BE to Indians will not break the balance of the game! ---
**Author:** ![JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/jonoli12/32/50441_2.png) [@JonOli12](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/JonOli12)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/33 "2020-05-14T14:00:38Z")
> [@Parthnan](#): > > Now answer my question: _Giving Indians as they are now Regular Battle Elephants_ > **Will that break the balance of the game?** It will, because Indians are a massive Boom civ, so tehy should never have any Heavy Cavalry, which is why they lack Knights. ---
**Author:** ![ArshiaAghaei](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/arshiaaghaei/32/52335_2.png) [@ArshiaAghaei](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ArshiaAghaei)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/34 "2020-05-14T14:02:12Z")
> [@Juggernaut8704](#): > > there’s no point in fighting over this point. Indians and Persians both used melee and archer mounted elephants. Ele Archer is a terrible UU atm. Giving them to Persians and giving **the strongest UU in the game** stat-wise to Indians will ruin Persians ---
**Author:** ![Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/juggernaut8704/32/203886_2.png) [@Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Juggernaut8704)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/35 "2020-05-14T14:03:16Z")
That’s why my suggestion will be to move the Imperial Camels, the biggest strength of Indians in game right now but does not fit them thematically. This will be a good enough nerf to add the heavy cavalry. ---
**Author:** ![Parthnan](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/parthnan/32/55505_2.png) [@Parthnan](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Parthnan)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/36 "2020-05-14T14:03:40Z")
So do you agree that one simple change can solve all this mess? _ **Giving BE to Indians as they are, keeping everything else pure and untouched.** _ I believe went you through this logic in our conversation above. Who else thinks this could be a simple solution, and easiest for the devs to go for, without hurting conservatives? ---
**Author:** ![ArshiaAghaei](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/arshiaaghaei/32/52335_2.png) [@ArshiaAghaei](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ArshiaAghaei)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/37 "2020-05-14T14:04:27Z")
As I said before, The whole issue we have with Indians should be in 1 topic… ---
**Author:** ![Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/juggernaut8704/32/203886_2.png) [@Juggernaut8704](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Juggernaut8704)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/41 "2020-05-14T14:12:27Z")
So all the topics should be merged instead of closing them, because that essentially kills the discussion. Changes the theme. ---
**Author:** ![Parthnan](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/parthnan/32/55505_2.png) [@Parthnan](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Parthnan)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/42 "2020-05-14T14:13:20Z")
And this discussion also involves the Persians not just the Indians, so it is not the same as Indian civ issues I believe in the power of simplicity: _Giving BE to Indians as they are, keeping everything else pure and untouched._ ---
**Author:** ![RadiatingBlade](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/radiatingblade/32/143170_2.png) [@RadiatingBlade](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/RadiatingBlade)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/indian-and-persian-elephant-suggestions/82370/43 "2020-05-14T14:13:45Z")
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