My guess is that it’s gonna be mid December at the latest and late October at the earliest.
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If you watch the scene in the teaser trailer very carefully, where you see all those units clash together, where you see the yurts and the giants, where the meelee siege weapons fight in the background, you see one of the myth units spit fire. And as far as I can see, it’s what’s often speculated, very confidently so, to be the Qilin.
Does that make sense?
I was told the Qilin is the Chinese equivalent to the unicorn. How much sense does it make to spit fire?
Very. The qilin is often depicted with sacred flames instead of hair. Which we see in the trailer.
While I do expect the Atlanteans to sail to America and encounter the Aztecs, I don’t expect them to do the same with China* and other places.
I just expect they using Ancient Uranos Passages to run from New Atlantis/Europe to a place like Hainan to make a new Atlantean colony and then comming into mainland China.
Edit: Fixed Egypt to China.
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Frankly I don’t believe the Qilin will be a unit. They are supposed to be so graceful that they would never harm anything. Their purpose in myth was not combat.
You think they reached Greece but not Egypt? How would that even work?
Or did you mean China not Egypt?
You literally see qilin in the trailer.
We don’t know the official name of the unit. It may look like a Qilin but there are other similar creatures. For example a Xiezhi.
Yeah, I mean China, as Skadidesu said he don’t think Atlanteans should sail to China as I agree and see them going with Uranos passages, not sailing.
How to Sky Passages work lore wise?
In the campaign you sail to Greece, then Egypt and Midgard, then back to Greece and then back to New Atlantis.
You only teleport from the Tundra to New Atlantis, then from Greece to the Olymp and at the end from New Atlantis to Old Atlantis.
How do they appear any why can’t they appear when they would have been super convenient to have?
The next Question is can they logically appear before and after the New Atlantis campaign?
Before the Titans were not strong enough yet, and after that they were locked away again, I guess.
Unless it’s only Gaia ruling over everything now, lol.
It’s generally a flaw of AoM that it’s hard to come up with a scenario that is not just a mirror match unless you use the wild card that is Atlanteans.
Like how would the Norse realistically make it to Egypt, or the other way round?
They canonically colonized Lemuria in the original game so I wouldn’t put China past their reach.
If my theory is right and the campaign really is about the Yellow Emperor, seeing as he lived 2000 years before the Trojan War, it would be ancient Atlanteans from before Fall of the Trident.
At the same time, they might just be Atlantean ruins in the underworld and no living Atlanteans show up in the campaign.
Thought that was removed so it’s to assume that this connection is not supposed to exist anymore.
I don’t think that dates actually matter at all.
I assume they want to keep all things close in the timeline and all characters alive at the same time so they can do crossovers more easily later.
Even if Chinese never go to Greece there could still be a connection though India and Mesopotamia.
We will see.
No idea, as The New Atlantis plot is so bad, nothing make sense really.
It’s worse than you describe. Kastor sail from new atlantis to Greece and when he arrives a Sky Passage appears on Greece so atlanteans can teleport from new atlantis to greece. Oranos ####### ## with Kastor for no reason lol (worse yet, Uranos make many others sky passages for kastor to find later)
Basically if you go by the campaign plot, Oranos simple decides to make a Sky Passage appears when he thinks it needs to appear and it leads to whatever place he thinks it needs to go, as we see how he can make a sky passage to mount olympus and somehow make that you can’t come back in the same sky passage (???)
The thing where they sail all over the world makes zero sense and it’s obvious it’s supposed to be the Atlanteans teleporting over the world, as if you Remember from the Cerberus mission, there is an evil faction of Atlanteans there before Amanra, Ajax and Kastor arrives on Egypt and they where Followers of Oranos, so they obviously arrived there by sky passages before our heroes. (it was retoconned in Retold to become Followers of Kronos)
I think so, as I suppose the Atlanteans split over the world (and not everyone was with Kryos and Kastor) so Oranos or Kronos can do the same shenanigans to convince the Atlanteans to workship them again.
Before Titans we can make an servant of Oranos (like the servant of kronos) doing the trickery and after Titans we can make some Atlanteans that still insist to workship the titans.
I hope the “good” Atlantean faction workship Gaia now. (the ones that Kastor is leader now)
Only by a “Mercenary” faction working for a villain, really.
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yeah.
That can somehow be explained by the god having more power when his followers are nearby or something like that.
God generally make logical stories hard.
Why can the gods only help Arkantos defeat Kronos after he collects favour and goes out and scouts the area before casting a god power.
Like aren’t the gods supposed to be powerful and isn’t it in their best interest to stop Gargarensis?
Maybe, maybe not?
But I’d still assume they wouldn’t sail to the other side of the planet and instead only spread around the Atlantic.
Also generally the question is what happened to the Atlantean colonies when Atlantis sank?
I wonder if the current devs have the old scripts and internal documentation about the scrapped parts of the campaign.
I’d assume so.
Though the campaign kinda portraits Oranos as more of a neutral instead of evil god now.
Still the end explicitly shows Gaia healing Atlantis and saying that she is helping to rebuild Atlantis, so I’d assume they worship her now.
We’ll she if we see any none Chinese units, buildings or even whole players in the campaign at all.
Would be hard to make the old heroes fit into this setting.
Helios can teleport your units, they have sky passages; Atlanteans being anywhere in the world is not an issue.
There are probably some limitations to those abilities lore wise.
You wouldn’t expect Shifting Sands to teleport your units to another continent either, right?
Underworld Passage is also not supposed to be a teleporter but more like a tunnel that gives you a shortcut. Would be strange if that would bring you instantly from Greece to China for example.
So does Uranos need to be worshipped in a place for there to be a working Sky Passage?
How far does Vortex carry your troops?
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In the Lore, sky passages did appear, in places convenient for “Krios’” plan, for the Atlanteans to just stumble upon. While we can build them, we have canonically limited control over where they are and where they lead. Even if that’s not the case ingame.
The fact that it makes so convenient, allowing atlantean armies to basically teleport across continents like it’s nothing, exactly to the places they need to be, when they need to be there, is basically another hint that this is all staged by “Krios” the servant of Kronos. But since he’s the servant of Kronos, why does he get to controll Uranos sky passages, rather than some Kronos ability?
That’s something that doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
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It could simply be because they had not decided which god would get what bonus when they started making the campaign.
Maybe the Sky Passage was originally available to all Atlantean Major Gods.
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This does not work in the logic of The New Atlantis campaign, as fake Kryos make a Sky Passage to New Atlantis that had literally no one there so he can move his evil Atlanteans and worse yet, make a Sky Passage on Mount Olympus that is literally the place with less Titan workshippers on the planet (on the contrary, the biggest forces against Titans are there).
The campaign needed a full overhaul to flesh these things and give sense for everything.
So basically Kastor sail around for no reason lore wise.
The cut dialogue of the campaigns have Gargarensis saying that the gods where distracted by the Trojan war while he did all his machinations and when the Tojan war is over he is already digging the gates to Tartarus.
I think in the campaigns some characters like Athena talk how they can’t interfere directly to not start a war between the gods so I suppose they have some kind of politics for interference…? Like they are a big Parliament where the gods are like politicians finding ways to use loopholes in the divine rules to further their agenda.
Like if mortals give X tribute or serve the god in whatever way they seem fit the god are “allowed” to give his bleesing without “breaking the rules”. (like when Zeus give Arkantos a way out of the underworld when he pray directly to him)
So when a god try to interfere too much, for example, Loki fucking everything around, destroying Thor hammer, etc… then Thor can strike back (like sealing the gate and exploding everything) and no one have a case against each other to justify anything.
The most extreme case is in the end of the campaign when Poseidon decides to answer Gargarensis call and bless him a bit too much, creating a fucking giant Avatar Statue to help him, then Zeus says it “oh yeah? fuck then. Arkantos, build a wonder in my name and I will give you a bleesing” and he bless Arkantos with demigod powers to just destroy all of Poseidon minions lol
Imagine in the Pantheon as a big parlament with Poseidon and the other gods in his side complaining and acusing Zeus of interference and Zeus saying he didn’t break any rules, as Arkantos gave him a very big tribute and his blessing was the same scale of what Poseidon gave to Gargarensis.
Yeah, I don’t assume they sail to the other side. As I said, I find more fitting they simple going there with sky passages.
But like the guy said, Lemuria can be a continent with a Atlantean colony, because it’s a myth continent just like Atlantis is. And they can position Lemuria close to China.
I don’t know what to think of Oranos now. In original, like I said, the faction that is helping Cerberus destroy everything on Egypt is Followers of Oranos, and with how his power is in service of fake Kryos in all the campaign, there is no doubt that Oranos is on the side of Kronos, so, nothing neutral.
On Retold they retconed so the faction became Followers of Kronos but all the rest of Oranos helping fake Kryos still means he wants the Titans to be free.
The only mistake is on the mission Atlantis Betrayed the player is Oranos, but this is just by a technical reason, as if the player was Gaia, when they get buildings it would grow Lush for no reason. And as New Atlantis atlanteans workshiped Oranos, the faction of the player basically only represent the faction of the Atlanteans being rescued on new atlantis.
But if even Prometheus, that by lore was not supposed to be an evil Titan was on Kronos side, we have no reason to assume Oranos that have a much more active role helping the Servant of Kronos plan is not of their side either.
Yeah, they need a new campaign later that have elements connecting all the other pantheons so we can have our heroes back.
It is not really logical over all.
But you could somewhat argue that his power is limited so he only makes the Sky Passages appear where they are really needed and doesn’t “waste” them somewhere were they can just sail to.
I think practically every story that involves gods is automatically full of logical errors and loopholes.
That includes the old myths themselves.
The term “Deus Ex Machina” is nowadays used for when a story (movie, book, game, etc.) solves a problem by letting a higher power or just an external influence appear.
Originally it described the tendency of ancient Greek drama authors to have a literal god appear on stage to just solve a conflict. The god was often lifted on to the stage with a crane, so they came out of a machine.
Kinda just bad story writing.
Considering that they knew that they were adding Chinese and the Chinese DLC was at least half way done when AoM released and they also decided to remove the reference to Lemuria, I think it’s very unlikely that Lemuria exists in the AoM universe and if it does it won’t be related to Atlantis.
I don’t even think that’s the case. Lush is only spawned if you build a building. If you convert one that already exists there should be no Lush and you can’t build anything in that mission.
Also you don’t need to worship Oranos to use Sky Passages, you only need him to build them.
So there is no technical reason.
Maybe they simply wanted to buildings to not change god statues from Oranos to Gaia when they are converted to you.
Would be kinda funny to have a mission where you control like 10+ heroes at once.