The game is completely ruined; it’s unplayable. The Japanese Samurai are extremely powerful. They are so powerful that the all Norse units are so weak they look like villagers when facing the Japanese Samurai.
It is completely absurd that a military unit available in the Classical Age, like the Japanese Samurai, has 72 attack points! That is completely absurd. And to top it all off, the Japanese Samurai recover their health every second, which means they are practically immortal!!!
Stop ruining the game! The game is unplayable right now!
I swear when you discover mixed army comps the wonders it will do.
Kudos on actually showing the stats. Now lets work on not having the same unit count in a versus where 1 unit is 4 pop and the other is 2 pop. Lucky for you this would not change the outcome.
Samurai are very strong right now, basically the only army comp that fairs good is jarl + Throwing axemen for nose.
What this doesnt show but happens fairy frequently is the Samurai early on is gonna have a line upgrade advantage over their enemy with how Quick the early bushido tiers are to get, meaning its even stronger.
You’re defending the indefensible and the absurd. How do you explain that a unit available in the Classical Age, like the Japanese Samurai, easily defeats a Migdol unit??? What pretext are you going to come up with now?? P.S. The Japanese Samurai is still only at its mid-point of power; it can still be even more powerful and broken.
Im not defending anything……. Im saying you are right and that the Samurai is even stronger than what you show due to it having a tech advantage most of the time with the bushido system.
Also, midgold units loose to classic units from all civs since you know…. Theres this hidden mechanic called counter units. That doesnt mean anything since you dont Just max 1 single unit and thats your whole army, and yes the Samurai is very strong.
These tests make no sense, it’s like IamMagic trying to convince us CA are fine because they lose to RC in a direct confrontation in a confined space. No, you don’t stand still with your TA against samurai, no you don’t fight counter infantry with hirdmen, no you don’t just attack a slow army with jarls or RC, please dude have a brain when making these simulations. TA absolutely destroy samurai when controlled like a human being.
As for elephants, they are a way tankier unit, that’s all that matters. You want to have a backline that can focus down the samurais. CA shred samurais and usually forces the japanese player into shinobi.
Fanatics would do the exact same thing to those units in these circumstances.
Kinda nuts. 30 Samurai use 120 population and cost 3150 food and 2250 gold and you’re pitching them against units that cost less than half that and take up 50-75% of the pop space. And then there’s no micro, which is necessary for beating samurai due to the regen.
They just dont want to balance the game. theyt’ll get to it when they feel like it. Perhaps they could limit their town center creation. Honestly, any civ that gets passive regeneration in classical regeneration excluding egyptians just irk me to the bone.
The scanerio you made in this post is horribly unfair to the norse and not because the samurai is overpowered.
Samurai are way more expensive than a regular unit (even more expensive than a Jarl)
Samurai needs twice as much housing than a regular unit (even more than a Jarl)
So lets check the numbers: 30 vs 30
Samurai = 180 resources + 4 population
30 Samurai = 5400 res + 120 pop
VS
Hirdman = 85 res + 2 pop
30 Hirdman = 2550 res + 60 pop
Norse spent only half the resources and population of what Japanes did to go into this fight. Why?
Norse sent cavarly counter infantry Hirdman against a unit that counters melee infantry. Why?
Norse sent melee infantry counter Axeman against Samurai without protection. Why?
The only two scanerios where norse have a chance is the Axeman and Jarl, and even there they lose because they did not spend the same amount of recourses and pop as Japanese.
Want a more fair fight?
Send 60 Axeman against 30 Samurai:
They requires the same recources and population
Axeman = 90 res + 2 pop
60 Axeman = 5400 res + 120 pop = 30 Samurai
If norse controls their Axeman Samurai will probably lose, if norse doesn’t control, Samurai will prabobly win, but neither of these fights are realistic, because this game is not balaced to homogenous armies. It is balaced to unit compositions. Use those with the same amount of recources and population count and you’ll get much more balaced fights.
