I would like us to talk seriously about the general performance that Russia has been having lately. For you, Russia is a balanced civilization, is it weak or is it very strong?
I would like to clarify, that this discussion is focused more than anything on Russia 1v1 or teams supremacy.
IMHO, Russia is too strong lately, and it needs a little nerf.
Basically, I say this for 3 reasons:
He has the best chivalric unit in the game at an early age, the Cossack.
He has too cheap settlers.
He has too much map control, beating the Indians with his agra fort.
I think the ideal would be to go back to the old cost of villagers, from 260 food to 270 food again. A more serious nerf, would be to raise the HP of the Cossacks 10% more, but change their population cost from 1 to 2.
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Russia is fine imo, not op at all.
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I argued why good sir, because I can say that Japan is the weakest civilian, but no one is going to believe me for obvious reasons haha.
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Russia is not OP, apart from cossacks their age 2-3 infantry is trash, literally. They get obliterated by everything in a single touch.
So they need to be replacing them again and again and have a heavy food usage, that’s why villagers became some cheaper.
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I think the villagers are too cheap, or they should go back to their original cost, or lower their HP to make it easier to punish them.
Some corroborating data.
1 settler is worth 100 food and takes 25 seconds to create.
1 Russian Settler is worth 86.6 food and takes 17.6 seconds to create.
Sorry, but that’s irrationally strong already.
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Russia is not OP at all. Basically they are good early game then meh mid game and lousy late game
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As I told you Russian army is trash, if you want to live you need to replace them again and again with a heavy impact on food.
They have to spend 260 food each time for villagers, big inversion per batch. You will not be able to mantain all queue for military and villagers like other civs can perfectly do.
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Typing error
The musketeer and the strelet if they are weak and “trash”, but the Cossack is a very good unit in the first minutes of play.
Regarding the villagers, I think that now that they are cheaper, they must be weaker, that is the characteristic of Russia, cheap and quick units to create, but weaker.
A clanmate (Neverlammer, top 100 in teams), who plays a lot with Russia, since the cost per villager was reduced, I have noticed that he has had a before and after, when we play he always has the best economy, something that he did not before It happened often, and it should be noted that we played in a more competitive scene.
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Well, I play a lot of Russians too. So I can tell they are only good in teams, where they have time massing cossacks (a thing you can’t do in 1v1 sup).
1v1 matches are quite different because they are on their own with really weak units. If you nerf them more would make more unplayable they already are.
As a suggestion try to raid Russians as much and as fast as possible with heavy cav (wich also easy kills early musketeers, the only cav defense for them in early game). They heavy relly in food so when you cut that they pretty much dead. 
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Russia already comes at the bottom of civ tier lists. It doesn’t need a nerf.
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Because there’s nothing about it that’s op, even with the recent buff to vill cost it still takes awhile to pay off.
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Eliterifleman, you are a voice of reason amongst lost souls lol. Russia is 100% too strong. Before the patch I could beat them around 50% of the time, now I win about 20% of the time! I agree vills need to cost more or cossack nerfed. Thanks.
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Good idea nerf hp vills.
Russia is strong, is a good rusher and can go ff, has a good eco with medicine, inf is weak but cav are nice, for me not sure are OP, but I feel when play him and vs him now are very good.
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The medicine card has much more noticeable effects for Russians, so its previous food price was good.
3 villagers for the price of 221 food and in a 15% shorter period of time.
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Unless you typically play japan or brits, im not sure russia is dreadfully op. they dont get vill shipments, have basically 0 age 1 options (cant even cue second vill batch until you build a house), ruskets are paper thin against hussars or (worse) chimu/coyote runners. dont get me started on shotel. cossacks are excellent cavalry indeed, but they aren’t cheap and its hard to get a solid mass without going all in on them.
They do seem to scale quite hard now, but russia is notoriously bad against cav raids. I think the suggestion of having the vill hp cut a bit to match the cheaper-faster theme would not be uncalled for, probably even a very well rounded nerf
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They have different dynamics since the patch but they are still easy to predict and counter.
At least in my ELO 1400-1300 i think i had a 60% - 70% win rate against Russia but after the patch i would say it´s around 20%-30% xD. Feels like they never spent the unit shipments, and their quickly and cheaper vills is the key why they can keep the push for forever and you can´t reach them even if you won some batlles. In the midgame the cosacs are to strong for a unit of 1pop, 2 cosacs with all the cards in age 2 and 1 are just better than 1 hussar with the same enhacements, also the cosacs perform the tanking task better because they will always be greater mass.
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y’all, cossacks have to be 1 pop, strelets are 1 pop for a half population unit, cossacks are 1 pop for a 1.5 pop unit. the two compliment each other. you have an extremely population cavalry but no population efficient way to counter anticavalry. its a tradeoff. quit making skirm goon vs russia, make some strong anticavalry and a few hand cav and you won’t see many cossacks anymore
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I am ok with a 20% hp nerf to their vils to match their infantry
edit: though maybe do it the same way as the infantry in that they scale off normal base stats
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