# Lock Family Share accounts from ranked **URL:** \ **Category:** II - Discussion\ **Created:** [November 12, 2021, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897 "2021-11-12T15:07:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Atafas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/atafas/32/57939_2.png) [@Atafas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Atafas)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/101 "2021-11-22T08:21:02Z")
Definetly an idea and the solution to elo leverage between 1k and 2k so the 1k gets +18 and the 2k gets +2 seems fair eventho i still think that a) yes family share should be singleplayer and not mp. B) honestly the highest gap for lets say 12xx should be 1400 not 1500 and 1800 should be 2k so its minimalistic only 200 maybe 300 inbetwteen for teams but more importanly for enemys ---
**Author:** ![RustyCrowHK](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/rustycrowhk/32/66216_2.png) [@RustyCrowHK](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/RustyCrowHK)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/102 "2021-11-22T13:20:48Z")
why this post is disappeared in discussuon? ---
**Author:** ![Atafas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/atafas/32/57939_2.png) [@Atafas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Atafas)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/103 "2021-11-22T13:31:55Z")
Did you check the pinned topics? ---
**Author:** ![HealFortress](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/healfortress/32/75623_2.png) [@HealFortress](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/HealFortress)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/104 "2021-11-22T15:03:23Z")
Your obsession of wanting me to just say ‘it’s a problem’ isn’t looking at the solutions I’ve discussed already which already says that there is one without the need to say something so straightforward. Again. If family sharing is taken from ranked play - it must be done at the same time as adding unranked lobbies into a ranking system to reduce possible smurfs there lest the lobby system just get worse.(allow fam share in lobbies, but their accounts will still become ranked by the lobby system allowing for better player to player moderation) Just saying it’s a problem and ‘remove fam share’ as a knee jerk reflex would do much more damage to the playerbase than good. It will take time to figure out proper fixes that don’t screw everyone over. * * * The other problem is the opposite of the player spectrum; The player that claims or labels others without really knowing, those who get wrecked and instantly feel like they’ve been smurfed and decide to attempt to get that player banned. It is detrimental and hurtful to the playerbase to allow this behaviour just because ‘smurf bad’ It is much more efficient to just change the environment in certain ways like with the suggestions I posted a few comments above which brings the game closer to being smurf unfrendly while not hurting players by false accusations and unfair bans or removing a nice feature, being family sharing, or restricting in certain ways without proper consideration as to the effects of said restrictions and without thinking of additional measures that should go to compensate the playerbase. I’ve been called a smurf before. I have no wish to become banned because some pleb feels falsely cheated out of a proper game. It also adds too much strain on the devs to review incoming reports of said false claims of smurfing and takes away too much of their time that could be placed towards the game as whole; it’s much better to focus on things that change the environment for the better and focus on the game as a whole rather than waste studio funds/time on individual possible smurfs or even paying someone else to do it which leads into false bans with far too little context only because a player felt cheated or salty without reason beyond ‘got wrecked’ ---
**Author:** ![SouBotsito](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/soubotsito/32/29229_2.png) [@SouBotsito](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SouBotsito)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/105 "2021-11-22T17:55:35Z")
You should avoid discussion with angry people or frustrated, they can’t be reason with, i already gave him 5 solid points of negative impacts and discarded quite easy the pros of removing family share, since the bad behavior comes from people who plays sponsored wwp(chinese team) or streamers, they can just mock on his face and smurf him 1000 times more by buying with other’s money, while real people like you or the ones that uses that feature for secondary accounts(top 200 has like 60% real players the rest are secondary accounts of them, so anyone can get a big idea of how much that feature is used) removing it will impact the activity on a dying game. Anyway as the game was advertised to be shared among the family, removing that feature is not an option as they could be sued by false advertisement, just to please some angry people. ---
**Author:** ![HealFortress](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/healfortress/32/75623_2.png) [@HealFortress](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/HealFortress)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/106 "2021-11-22T18:20:58Z")
I also say that 1 vs 1 smurfs are less prevalent because they can be easily confused with another type of player, the quick resign type who simply doesn’t want to play the selected map, and reports of actual smurfing in 1 vs 1 aren’t what I experienced as common, and most of them hang out in unranked lobbies with no ranked rating on their accounts. ---
**Author:** ![FreeWinPlz1739](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/freewinplz1739/32/61328_2.png) [@FreeWinPlz1739](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/FreeWinPlz1739)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/107 "2021-11-22T18:28:31Z")
I am talking about the group games here. It is simple. People want to win but they couldn’t win in public groups, so they went smurfing. People just lacking of the ability to understand each other and this community is getting toxic. Why people cannot win in public groups ? Being noob can be one reason. Also, there are many people don’t care about winning in **ranked games** , they just want to have fun and do whatever they want to do. I have experienced many people that resign early and team kill. I saw several people played more than a thousand of games with less than 1k team elo. These people have never bothered to learn anything and they are in **ranked games**. Oh great, you will get time out if you try to avoid them. I clearly know that smurfing should not be encouraged, but this game is not encouraging people to get good, be nice, win games, ---
**Author:** ![HealFortress](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/healfortress/32/75623_2.png) [@HealFortress](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/HealFortress)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/108 "2021-11-22T18:41:26Z")
Improving the friend/clan system will go a long way towards fixing the current communication problem between players outside of a game. Once players are able to communicate more(currently players use 3rd party apps or friend each other on steam) we’ll experience more friends making parties to attempt ranked team games, and that should be encouraged. Limiting the elo range disparity a player can play with on their team needs to be fine-tuned, and it must never become overly restrictive. 500 elo is a decent middleground, 300 elo is too restrictive on friends wanting to play together - the main problem appears when queueing with someone 1k elo+ below yourself which increases the odds of you single handedly stomping the opposing team. ---
**Author:** ![RustyCrowHK](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/rustycrowhk/32/66216_2.png) [@RustyCrowHK](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/RustyCrowHK)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/109 "2021-11-23T08:18:45Z")
i have asked you how your suggestions can solve the issue of smurf, but seems you didnt answer my questions: TG smurfing: imagine a situation like this: A team: 4 2000 elo players B team: 4 2000 elo players with 2 smurfs which they are actually 2500 and above How your elo difference can handle this kind of unfairness? And go to extreme, a toxic premade team can make a team of 4 smurfs and enjoying smashing the noobs, they are all starting in same elo and enjoy their fun game, how 's your way prevent this? 1V1 smurfing: seems you totally avoid on this, or you dont get the what I am talking about on 1v1 smurf? ---
**Author:** ![RustyCrowHK](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/rustycrowhk/32/66216_2.png) [@RustyCrowHK](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/RustyCrowHK)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/110 "2021-11-23T08:20:05Z")
the harms you mentioned, the only valid is the one who legally using family share in a right way. All of the stuffs about top players are common using smurfs, blah blah blah, are absolutely non-sense. ---
**Author:** ![Atafas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/atafas/32/57939_2.png) [@Atafas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Atafas)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/111 "2021-11-23T09:13:20Z")
@RustyCrowHK thats why if its possible we should exclude family share from ranked so family share is possible for sp and lobby games (dunno bout quickplay) ---
**Author:** ![HealFortress](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/healfortress/32/75623_2.png) [@HealFortress](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/HealFortress)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/112 "2021-11-23T13:56:37Z")
By changing the environment to be less smurf friendly - I’m not sure you’re actually reading/truly listening to the opposing opinions. You seem to be stuck in your own. I’ve told you exactly how they can help tackle these things, but you’re acting like we’re talking two different languages and ignoring valid points to push your own further. ---
**Author:** ![SisterRespecter](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/sisterrespecter/32/29599_2.png) [@SisterRespecter](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SisterRespecter)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/113 "2021-11-24T01:04:37Z")
According to a member who opened a support ticket, looks like they’re considering “making some adjustment”. Whatever that means ![support contact](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/8/6/86bdf0a01fe8cc7a962b495aacdf08269bc48231.png) ---
**Author:** ![SisterRespecter](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/sisterrespecter/32/29599_2.png) [@SisterRespecter](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SisterRespecter)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/114 "2021-11-27T06:25:46Z")
a waste of 54 games: ![smurf](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/3/c/3c5f3bc67c2a8aa4f3cbd8bd1f9f189bc10464ca.png) ---
**Author:** ![gnarfk](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/gnarfk/32/61367_2.png) [@gnarfk](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/gnarfk)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/115 "2021-11-27T07:14:30Z")
Why don’t they solve this issue by using the highest rating of the other accounts as the starting rating of new account ? ---
**Author:** ![TheConqueror753](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/theconqueror753/32/207146_2.png) [@TheConqueror753](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TheConqueror753)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/116 "2021-11-28T22:00:59Z")
They can still drop elo on purpose, but it could be an option. ---
**Author:** ![Atafas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/atafas/32/57939_2.png) [@Atafas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Atafas)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2021, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/117 "2021-11-29T07:52:03Z")
Should be also be punished ---
**Author:** ![SisterRespecter](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/sisterrespecter/32/29599_2.png) [@SisterRespecter](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SisterRespecter)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/118 "2022-03-23T17:05:51Z")
Compiled a list of topics on this subject over the past 6months with \> 1000 replies total > [@SMURF must be stopped](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/smurf-must-be-stopped/196610/): > > Are the developers going to do something about this smurf issue in Aoe2DE? both in 1v1 and in team game ranked games every 2 matches there are smurfs with 80+% win rate… That makes me really wanna switch to other games. > [@Developers until when are we going to allow infinite smurf accounts?](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/developers-until-when-are-we-going-to-allow-infinite-smurf-accounts/192957): > > It’s already frustrating that in each team game there are 1 or 2 accounts with few games and high win rate with a player who clearly takes 500 elo from all of them And the solution is simple, allow shared accounts but don’t let them play in matchmaking unless they buy the game, only allow them to play in unranked lobby > [@All Smurfs AUTOMATCH MUST CONSIDER WIN% RATIO](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/all-smurfs-automatch-must-consider-win-ratio/191337): > > All players are forced to smurf to get some FAIR game, since MONTHS AOG there are THOUSANDS OF SMURFS, and the Automatch dosn’t consider the win ratio %. A player with a high win ratio %, must be considered skilled one and be matched vs high skilled player. The problem become unplayable when a full team (4 players) or clan, forces every week a new account to play unfair matches, since no matter how much skilled your are, your team will be so weak vs they and they will play 4v1 over you. VIPER… > [@Smurf Teams and New Dodge patch are make with many troubles](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/smurf-teams-and-new-dodge-patch-are-make-with-many-troubles/189897): > > I am not good at English. I used a translator. I am not a racist. But my experience. Most of the Smurfs are Taiwanese and Chinese. Why do they enjoy slaughtering novices? Why do you always create a new account? Most of the day, from evening to night, there are many Smurf teams. There are many Smurf Team vs Smurf Team matches. This proves that there is a problem with the system. Team points of 3300 points and team points of 1200 points together form a team. And it slaughters beginners. … > [@Smurf culture: Let's vote](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/smurf-culture-lets-vote/186236/): > > [poll](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/smurf-culture-lets-vote/186236/1) Smurfing is when a high-level player creates a new account to play against lower-ranked players . There are several reasons players might create a smurf account, like playing with lower-ranked friends and for a new experience. But many players smurf to play easier opponents, which allows them to dominate their matches To those smurfs who defending family share, please be reminded this is a thread just purely talk all about smurf. To me, the only acceptable smurf are those who forgot the … > [@Solution to Smurfs/Elo ladder manipulation](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/solution-to-smurfs-elo-ladder-manipulation/132839): > > The ladder is a mess. We have each Team with a smurf player who is using a -500 to -1000 elo point account via family sharing and point farming the other teams. We can also see how one player managed to reach 4000 elo with a smurf friend to prove just that. The solution isnt to “change” how elo is calculated but to FIX the ladder abusers. In most games and other plat forms, each game copy bought (via steam) can be LOCKED via your MAC Address or other various system keys to insure EACH copy of g… > [@Can we do something about all the smurfing in team games?](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/can-we-do-something-about-all-the-smurfing-in-team-games/174503): > > Recently I’ve been noticing A LOT of smurfs in ranked team games, like every 2nd game I play is against smurfs at this point, it’s not even fun to play ranked tgs anymore. This screenshot below shows the stats of my opponents from a 4v4 game I played and it’s ridiculously obvious that these guys are HUGE smurfs… There are a few possible solutions to the problem: Add some sort of linear multiplier to people’s elo if they are on a winning streak. Notice one of the persons in my scree… > [@Easy solution for TG Smurfs](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/easy-solution-for-tg-smurfs/174070): > > I have a simply solution for TG Smurfs… it’s pretty common on other games and I don’t know if anyone have posted it before… but what about putting a range limit in players that you can play TG with? Let’s say… 500 or something up and down, the game will calculate the “middle rating player” and put a limit up and down for the rating based on him: 1000 1500 → Middle rating player 2000 in between of 2000 and 1000. Not something like this that I fought this week: [1] > [@Stop the smurfs! Ranked matchmaking should be based on your highest ELO, not current](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/stop-the-smurfs-ranked-matchmaking-should-be-based-on-your-highest-elo-not-current/173695): > > This keeps happening way too often. Keep getting matched with someone whose highest ELO is ridiculously high compared to mine. Check the aoe2 companion app and you can see so many of these smurfs have ridiculously massive win streaks followed by equally enormous losing streaks. With literally no wins during their huge losing streak. Whereas legit / fair players have a much more evenly distributed mix of wins and losses, up and down. Ranked matchmaking should be based on each players’ highest EL… > [@Ranked ELO rigging evidence](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/ranked-elo-rigging-evidence/198669): > > I played a 4vs4 ranked game where two players immediately quit as soon as game started. It doesn’t take rocket science to know you can’t win a ranked 2vs4 game if you’re in a team of 2, so I refused to play and resigned imediately. The two players to report are using fake ids. In the game they appeared as Pawel and art.rott but once the game finished, Pawel became Kaleb of Axum and art.rott became Henry V (the grey one, the cyan Henry V is explained on my edit note later on). If they at least … > [@What do people think is a better ideal solution: Ranked matchmaking, or ranked lobvies](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/what-do-people-think-is-a-better-ideal-solution-ranked-matchmaking-or-ranked-lobvies/195340): > > I feel like every once in a while an argument flairs up about ranked lobbies vs ranked matchmaking. For purposes of this poll, in an ideal world, with a perfectly functioning system, would you rather have ranked matchmaking, or ranked lobbies? In a perfect system for example: smurfing won’t be a problem, no-one will want to drop, people enjoy playing ranked, the system gives fairly quick matches, the matches are pretty much entirely balanced, and elo is a true represenation of a player’s skill, … > [@1v1 Ranked Ladder is broken](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/1v1-ranked-ladder-is-broken/191069): > > Team games, I understand. You don’t want to wait forever to find a game. Makes sense. Agree 100%. But 1v1, we need infinite map bans. Majority of the player pool wants it. No other RTS game in the world caters to the whim of the minority and puts the minority’s needs above the majority. I think what happened here was the developers received so many complaints about ALT+F4 map dodging that they assumed that was the only problem, when in reality that was just one of the many symptoms of not all… > [@Maximum elo difference in ranked team game](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/maximum-elo-difference-in-ranked-team-game/186255/8): > > i think the thread was a little bit missunderstood. I had a random 2v2 game and got an ally that was over 1000 below me. the opponents were both roughly my elo. the purpose of an elo system is matching players with roughly equal skill. the moment random team games mix in a single player with such a difference, elo itself is pointless. > [@Lock Family Share accounts from ranked](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/): > > I swear, for each person using this feature legitimately there are 99 smurfs and hackers evading their bans. Just make this trash buy the game again and again and again and again if they want to ruin other people’s day. Timeout for a day any player who wins 3 consecutive ranked games in less than 10 minutes each. Maybe even do like sc2 and lock people out of multiplayer for a while when they make a new account, have them complete a william wallace mission a day for a week or something before t… > [@Ranked matchmaking regarding ELO](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/ranked-matchmaking-regarding-elo/177224): > > Hi, in the last few weeks it looks to me that the ELO balance in team games is a bit broken. I am aware of the general problems with match making and ELO and so one, but to me it seems to be a bit more unbalanced than before. For example 4v4 (avg. 1317 vs. 1435) but the the single ratings were 1431/1519/644(!)/1635 vs 1545/1440/1340/1456. Unsurprisingly the game was lost real quick from a competitive point of view. But seeing your pocket player on arena trading in feudal was special and fun i… > [@TG (ranked) are broken. (solutions in the post)](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/tg-ranked-are-broken-solutions-in-the-post/176524): > > While 1v1 are perfectly fine. Team Games are completely broken: There is large amout of people that like to smurf or boost one specific account to high elo abusing the mmr system. Recently (to me) has been happening 1 game out 2 over 10 games. Im here to suggest two possible solution, because this behaviour its really dragging the game down. and I’m sure many people are sick of this and I wouldn’t be surprised if many even quitted playing multiplayer. Solutions: Dont allow player with a hi… > [@Stop the smurfs! Ranked matchmaking should be based on your highest ELO, not current](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/stop-the-smurfs-ranked-matchmaking-should-be-based-on-your-highest-elo-not-current/173695): > > This keeps happening way too often. Keep getting matched with someone whose highest ELO is ridiculously high compared to mine. Check the aoe2 companion app and you can see so many of these smurfs have ridiculously massive win streaks followed by equally enormous losing streaks. With literally no wins during their huge losing streak. Whereas legit / fair players have a much more evenly distributed mix of wins and losses, up and down. Ranked matchmaking should be based on each players’ highest EL… ---
**Author:** ![JustPureLuck08](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/justpureluck08/32/104598_2.png) [@JustPureLuck08](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/JustPureLuck08)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/119 "2022-03-23T17:25:45Z")
Please no, I’m playing on a family share account as I originally bought the game on my dad’s account. This would be extremely unfair to the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![TungstenBoar](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/tungstenboar/32/173768_2.png) [@TungstenBoar](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/TungstenBoar)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897/120 "2022-03-23T17:35:50Z")
This idea is bad, but I think it presents a problem that should be addressed I think they should just make bans affect all accounts [Previous page](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/lock-family-share-accounts-from-ranked/182897.md?page=7)