# Malay Minor Faction - The missing native artillery **URL:** \ **Category:** III - Discussion\ **Created:** [March 3, 2022, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/malay-minor-faction-the-missing-native-artillery/197624 "2022-03-03T05:23:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![M00Z1LLA](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/m00z1lla/32/104042_2.png) [@M00Z1LLA](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/M00Z1LLA)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/malay-minor-faction-the-missing-native-artillery/197624/1 "2022-03-03T05:23:02Z")
# **Malay** ### **Location** : Malaysia, Borneo, Indonesia, Siam, Philippines, [**Moluccas**](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/moluccas-map/197625) ![Moluccas](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/1/9/19564ee2422a77d9a585443dfcef9f943e4456b9.png) ### **Unique Unit** : _Lantaka_ or _Lela_ Many different types of cannons were used across the Malay Archipelago and these could remedy the current lack of native artillery. Either a _Lantaka_ or _Lela_ cannon would be most appropriate. ### [_Lantaka_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lantaka) Lantaka were muzzle loading swivel guns used mainly from ships. They could have stats and functionality similar to Leather Cannons with additional anti-ship multipliers and be available in Age II. ![](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/e/c/ece16b2979b420f70adacf35307c0241fbcf9c1f.png) ![](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/3/5/35830d456298eaca6c73784000de3aed1d3d05fc.jpeg) ### [_Lela_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lela_(cannon)) Lela were larger cannons akin to Falconets. They could have stats and functionality similar to Cetbang Cannons but potentially slightly lower range to compensate for being 0 population. ![](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/5/d/5d5192457c6e4ac3e60317021ce6e385069c9d19.jpeg) ![](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/b/7/b7b0513df3e76015655d5aff912332c533a46f82.jpeg) ![](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/4/0/4093c29b86a51811cf23fa9f6365c142998b268d.jpeg) Double-barreled cannons like the Cetbang pictured below were also common. The Lela or Lantaka could also be included as such. ![](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/c/a/cac7458a2fc85eeb2ce926b5d7c4e4c14cab6497.png) ### **Techs** : [_Apilan_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apilan_and_kota_mara) - Increased warship health [_Bazaar Malay_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_trade_and_creole_languages#Singapore_Bazaar_Malay) - Improves Market exchange rates and Trade Route Yields [_Spice Island Traders_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spice_trade#:~:text=The%20spice%20trade%20involved%20historical,traded%20in%20the%20Eastern%20World.) - Berry bushes yield coin (Ethiopia’s _Coffe Berries_ card should be given other effects to not be completely superseded) [_Silat Melayu_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silat_Melayu) - Increased melee resistance for infantry [_Taming Sari_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taming_Sari) - Enables training mercenary Kris Warriors (swordsmen mainly from Java) from the Trade Post and Native Embassy (compliments the main artillery unit by providing a melee unit that can screen them) ### _Kris Warrior_ [Kris](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris) are distinctive wavy daggers originating from Java used in Silat martial arts. They would be melee heavy infantry and their unique feature could be a faster rate of fire similar to Shotel Warriors (maybe an even faster ROF of 1). ![](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/0/7/07671834b4bf71ebf1eee4a3e1b27aefa5c97e5a.jpeg) ![](https://forums.ageofempires.com/uploads/default/original/3X/9/b/9b95f1281cb8ba78431fca63c4c67496ff7b29fb.jpeg) ### Other Changes: **Indonesia Map** : _Bhakti Temples_ should also be present on this map to represent the Hindus of Bali and the lingering influence of the Majapahit empire. Their techs would also synergize with the proposed Malay techs. ---
**Author:** ![Dapsley](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/dapsley/32/95628_2.png) [@Dapsley](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Dapsley)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/malay-minor-faction-the-missing-native-artillery/197624/2 "2022-03-10T19:31:38Z")
Really like the idea of native artillery. Seems kind of hard to balance though as an age 2 unit. ---
**Author:** ![NikolieZeppilen](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/nikoliezeppilen/32/65016_2.png) [@NikolieZeppilen](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/NikolieZeppilen)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/malay-minor-faction-the-missing-native-artillery/197624/3 "2022-03-10T19:53:49Z")
It’s a good idea. I was thinking of this yesterday, of what missing native units are there. If they are costly enough like the Sufi elephants then age 2 could work. It’s not like Sweden can mass leather cannons effectively, just good supports. Working on the design for any other SEA natives? ---
**Author:** ![M00Z1LLA](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/m00z1lla/32/104042_2.png) [@M00Z1LLA](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/M00Z1LLA)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2022, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/malay-minor-faction-the-missing-native-artillery/197624/4 "2022-03-11T13:14:34Z")
I think Tamils would also be a good option for another Southern Asian native. They have a wide enough geographic distribution that they could fit on a large amount of maps. There’s other cultures from that region that could easily fit in the game like Siamese, Javanese, and Mysoreans, but they would be better as full civs.