Maybe some lobby options now?

Age of Mythology: Retold Discussion
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The new AI personalities are cool and great, but we still need some lobby customization.

Id like to see following:

  1. Disable wonder age
    Reasoning: Simple, Wonder age ruins long games. Player with Wonder wins.

  2. Tweak wonder age
    For example:

  • +100% → +40% Myth unit attack and hitpoints
  • -75% → -40% Godpower cost/cooldown
  • +1 → +0.5 Favor per second
  • 5400 → 2500 second Buildtime

Reasoning: Wonder age can be healthier in non-game ending way. True age 5: strong but not game-ending.

As picture (buildtime excluded):

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  1. Share resources or population in a team

Reasoning: Classic AoM option. It was used actively for 20 years, and people love this option to share resources and just chill.

  1. Randomized start positions

Reasoning: Randomizing start position is a fair option. This way nobody can complain about being pocket. This is especially important on good teamgame maps like Kerlaugar where one player starts at the back

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Example of other fun maps where position is important are Aïr and Highland

  1. Tributes should be able to be disabled or adjusted.

Slinging has always been problematic strategy in competitive RTS games, and large teamgames will never be competitively popular as it is. You should have option to disable tributes completely and increase the tribute penalty to 100%

As a side note lot of custom maps cannot use market at all, because tributes break their resource system~

Thank you
Retold is missing many lobby options that are present at previous versions of AoM or several other AoE games. There should be more lobby customization so we can play the game as we like without losing what we had in previous versions of AoM. AI personalities were a good start, but for example Wonder Age being extremely strong and on by default still ruins most multiteam, vs AI or free-for-all lobbies, and casuals don’t have access to resource sharing to play with their friends.

Any other ideas, perhaps from other RTS games? I know Beyond All Reason allows players to start with additional construction units to speed up the game or unlock additional buildings/units to build. Both are very popular options in non-rated lobbies.

Perhaps option to disable dock, so we can play certain cool water maps, such as Qinghai Lake, without AI wasting population on water military?

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You too can build wonders. This option is not only available to the enemy.

If you don’t want to build a Dock, don’t build it. You are not forced to. Cover the water with a wall, what’s the problem? Ships eat up the limit. If the enemy has built ships, his land army is smaller.

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Sure, ithere should be an option if diabling titans also works.

i wonder why they removed something that was already in the previous game.

You can already pick and chose who goes where with the color selection. You can literally talk with your team and arrange who goes where so i dont see the point in making it random.

Slinging is not something thats abusive in AOM right now. I do get in lower levels where people dont scout it could come up as a very good strat to just feed one player and win that way, but in reality thats not a good strategy and you would do so much more if both players would just attack.

Most of the time that works is because you are trying to fight a 1v1 but in reality you are fighting a hidden 2v1 since your opponent has his allies reosurces. If you had your ally with you you wouldnt just be fine, you would be winning.

And on the late game side, if i am doing really well and have excess resources, being able to give them to an ally works great as a way to help my team.

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Giving up on water is a sure way to loose most games, this is bad advice. Water fishing is basically a second tc you get since archaic. Theres some cheese you can pull off to win games goind land only bt against any decent scouting you will loose vs competent players.

Much better is "dont wanan play water? Make lobby with land maps only.

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A disable Wonder option I want so much but I have a feeling they will never add it because of how big a deal the Wonder rework has been for them in AoMR so they are too proud of it to let people disable it. I hope they prove me wrong but so far despite many people asking for that option it still isn’t a thing yet. I hate Wonder Age and is a reason why I stopped playing multiplayer in AoMR because its not fun in comp stomp to face off against or to use for me.

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You can ask them to remove the fast and cheap cooldown of abilities.

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What i really would like to see is a rematch button which copies the game that just ended and recreates it, like we have in aoe3.

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The most important option: “disable premade teams”

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People want to play with friends so that should never happen.

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Why would any game remove the option to play a team game with friends, its kinda the whole point of having team games, making groups, strategies and execute them.

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I think premade teams should only be allowed to play unranked matches, just like in the Extended Edition. If “premade teams” didn’t exist, all ranked matches would be balanced. Professional players would face off against other professional players, and you could truly measure skill level in the game. The current team ELO is misleading and false because premade teams have too much of an advantage. Most of them agree to do things like 3 vs 1 or cavalry rushes. Do you think it’s fair that a premade team with a 1500 ELO to play against a random team of 1100 ELO players? And when the random team loses, they lose 20 ELO points?

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So make the rank function dead just like it was on Extended edition and force most players to do a lobby?
I dont even get how this is an argument: “The previous game lacked features, please dont add said features to future games”

This is very false. You will still get the 1500 + 900 vs 2 1300s and loose. AOM has a low player base, you are gonna get mismatches, its not a preque thing its simply theres not enough people connecting at most times to make it work for the people at the extremes (low and high)

I wished me grouping up with 2 friends was enough to make me profesional.

So 3 random 1500s vs 3 random 1100s would be more balanced is your suggestion? You are talking as if i solo queue right now i wont get a high elo guy in my group vs 2 low elo players. The problem you are speaking off is not caused by what you think it is. Subdiviing the rank matches is only gonna make it worse.

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You defend premade teams because you found a deceptive and false way to quickly climb the ELO in ranked team games, using premade teams to face unbalanced random players. Unfortunately, you’re only fooling yourself; you’ll never be a professional player having a premade team that carries you all the time. Your ELO level in team-based ranked games and that of other premade teams will always be a complete lie.

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My TGs elo is very similar to my elo in 1v1 so that cuts your argument flat.

Yea, im sure thats the thing that separates us from the pros, solo queueing team games, specially with the broad history of random team tournaments popping about in all games. No pro team exists, its always a pool where ballots are drawn and teams are made at random every time.

Anyone can reach the same elo it just takes longer, its more of a hassle and its simply not worth it. Its a game, people play it to have fun and to try to win, doing social work to do so is part of the game, if you cant/not willing to its an issue seperate from the game.

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Nobody cares about ‘social work.’ If you want to mess around with your friends, go make a private lobby and play with them. The rest of us don’t want to play against some pre-made team of cowardly players. They’re usually trolls or toxic, and the games are over in 7 minutes. No thanks. I want a balanced game where everyone has a fair chance.

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The best option would be to add an option in the lobby to “disable pre-made teams”. Pre-made teams are responsible for unbalanced matches and for driving players away from ranked team games. No one is interested in facing pre-made teams because it’s a waste of time. If you want to play with your friends, create a private lobby and invite your troll friends. WE THE PLAYERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN FACING PRE-MADE TEAMS BECAUSE IT’S A MAJOR DISADVANTAGE. And no one likes to play a ranked game at a disadvantage. All players want to have the same chance to advance in the rankeds, but unfortunately, pre-made teams are an obstacle to the progress.

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I agree with that. The current Wonder Age is too extreme.

I would suggest going back to +50% stronger Myth units and -50% God Powers Cost/Cooldown like it was in the Beta.

It’s already really hard to even use up the 1 Favour per second so lowering it to 0.5 is also a good change.

In return reducing the build time without reducing the cost is also a good idea. Makes it easier to get but still a huge resource investment.

I would also change to Titan rebuilding to only be available after your Titan dies but give it a resource cost instead of a huge pile of favour.

This is a game that is supposed to be fun.
If many people don’t enjoy some aspect of a game why should they not add an option to remove it?
It would take nothing away from the people that do enjoy the current Wonder Age mechanic.

You can choose to play on a map without water. You can’t choose to play on a map without Wonders.

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This game is not fun at all right now. Because team games are won by the Atlanteans with a probability of 99%.

I completely agree that the cost reduction for divine abilities is too high.

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Strange that Norse have better win rates then Atlanteans in Team games.

Though the sample Size is a lot smaller here so the quality of data is worse.
If you go >1800 ELO you find the Data of 2 matches only.

The other thing is that not everyone plays ranked team games. So even if you are right about the winrate you are wrong about the “not fun at all”.

Your subjective impression of the game is not the objective reality for everyone.

For example I get annoyed by some Scenario Editor bugs and issues that I have but I know that those bugs are not ruining the game for most players so I don’t go around and claim that the game is totally broken, unplayable or even worse that the reduces player count must be because of the bugs that I encountered.

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