# Mediterranean Vespers & Guinea Tempest **URL:** \ **Category:** III - Discussion\ **Created:** [September 20, 2026, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/mediterranean-vespers-guinea-tempest/289783 "2026-09-20T13:18:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DietaryBird1838](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/dietarybird1838/32/203988_2.png) [@DietaryBird1838](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/DietaryBird1838)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2026, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/mediterranean-vespers-guinea-tempest/289783/1 "2026-09-20T13:18:50Z")
If _Age of Empires III_ were to continue expanding its African civilizations, I believe two major DLCs could bring a much broader part of Africa’s history to the game. # Mediterranean Vespers ### _The Mediterranean was never a boundary. It was a crossroads._ From the Nile Valley to the Maghreb, North Africa stood at the crossroads of Europe, the Middle East, and the Sahara. From the Mamluk Sultanate to the Ottoman Empire, from the Barbary ports to the independent kingdoms of Morocco, North Africa was home to powerful states, thriving trade networks, and competing empires. ### Three new civilizations: **Egypt** From the Mamluk Sultanate to Ottoman rule and eventually the reforms of Muhammad Ali, Egypt offers a civilization built around the Nile, agriculture, trade, and centralized power. **Barbary** Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli form the heart of a unique North African maritime world. Master privateering, naval warfare, fortified ports, and the complex relationship between the Barbary states and the Ottoman world. **Morocco** A major North African kingdom that remained outside the Ottoman Empire. From the Saadi dynasty and trans-Saharan trade to conflicts with Portugal and Spain—and the famous 1591 expedition against the Songhai Empire—Morocco connects the Mediterranean with the wider African world. **The Mediterranean is not the edge of Africa. It is one of its great gateways.** * * * # Guinea Tempest ### _The storm of the Atlantic did not begin in Europe._ Travel south along the Atlantic coast, where powerful kingdoms, cities, and trading networks flourished long before the European colonial empires of the nineteenth century. Gold, ivory, palm products, and the Atlantic slave trade transformed societies on both sides of the ocean and connected West and Central Africa to an emerging global economy. ### Three new civilizations: **Yoruba** From the ancient city of Ife and the great Yoruba city-states to the powerful Oyo Empire. Build a civilization around cities, religion, cavalry, diplomacy, and the extensive trading networks of the Gulf of Guinea. **Ashanti** Rise from the forests of the Gold Coast and forge the Ashanti Empire. Harness gold, forest resources, centralized authority, and a highly organized military system to create one of West Africa’s great powers. **Kongo** Enter the world of the Kingdom of Kongo, one of the major powers of Central Africa and among the first African states to establish sustained diplomatic relations with Portugal. Christianity, diplomacy, firearms, Atlantic trade, and the long struggle surrounding Portuguese Angola bring the battlefield south of the equator. **The Atlantic storm was never simply a European story.** * * * # Two DLCs. A New Africa. _African Royals_ introduced players to the worlds of Ethiopia and Hausa. But Africa is far larger than two civilizations. **Mediterranean Vespers** would take players across the Nile and the Maghreb, into the Mediterranean and across the Sahara. **Guinea Tempest** would carry them from the Gulf of Guinea to the Congo Basin, revealing the powerful states and societies of Atlantic Africa. From Egypt to Morocco. From Songhai and Hausa to Yoruba and Ashanti. From the Gold Coast to Kongo. **Africa was never waiting to be discovered.** **It was already making history.** _Age of Empires III: Definitive Edition — The African story is only beginning._ ---
**Author:** ![M00Z1LLA](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/m00z1lla/32/104042_2.png) [@M00Z1LLA](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/M00Z1LLA)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2026, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/mediterranean-vespers-guinea-tempest/289783/2 "2026-09-20T15:37:59Z")
> [@DietaryBird1838](#): > > Mediterranean Vespers What do these African Muslim countries have to do with a Christian evening prayer service? That’s a pretty big tell this is AI slop. ---
**Author:** ![SirBarnzy1](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/sirbarnzy1/32/130346_2.png) [@SirBarnzy1](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/SirBarnzy1)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2026, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/mediterranean-vespers-guinea-tempest/289783/3 "2026-09-20T15:45:46Z")
> [@DietaryBird1838](#): > > Africa was never waiting to be discovered. It’s alright using movie-esque taglines (AI-ahoy!), but there’s literally no context or justification for anything here! Be brave - come up with some legit ideas, mechanics, concepts of your own. No one will shoot you down for your own ideas - you’ll get discussion as to what works/doesn’t work but no one will be annoyed. AI stuff like this is lazy and brings no conversation. ---
**Author:** ![DesertPage65411](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/desertpage65411/32/104523_2.png) [@DesertPage65411](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/DesertPage65411)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2026, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/mediterranean-vespers-guinea-tempest/289783/4 "2026-09-20T15:50:19Z")
Since AI has existed, there have never been so many concepts for new civs proposed on the forum. ---
**Author:** ![ArkadasLlisa](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/arkadasllisa/32/114107_2.png) [@ArkadasLlisa](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/ArkadasLlisa)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2026, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/mediterranean-vespers-guinea-tempest/289783/5 "2026-09-20T16:59:40Z")
Say no to AI slop, use your brain. This is just ctrl+c, ctrl+v ---
**Author:** ![Siegelad4112](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/siegelad4112/32/217608_2.png) [@Siegelad4112](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Siegelad4112)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2026, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/mediterranean-vespers-guinea-tempest/289783/6 "2026-09-20T17:06:27Z")
Extremely lame name for a DLC repeating the Mediterranean name while being focused on Africa. ---
**Author:** ![vanBladdeck](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/vanbladdeck/32/59900_2.png) [@vanBladdeck](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/vanBladdeck)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2026, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/mediterranean-vespers-guinea-tempest/289783/7 "2026-09-20T18:07:45Z")
Biggest hint of Ai: After reading 3 words of it, i was bored to death and skipped the rest. Pls post civ concepts in bulletpoints with clear and destinct boni, mechanics, unique units etc. and not this blabla ---
**Author:** ![Soaring\_Crow](https://forums.ageofempires.com/user_avatar/forums.ageofempires.com/soaring_crow/32/214096_2.png) [@Soaring\_Crow](https://forums.ageofempires.com/u/Soaring_Crow)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2026, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/mediterranean-vespers-guinea-tempest/289783/8 "2026-09-22T21:38:27Z")
I know this is AI slop and all but even assuming we get more DLC, AoE3 DE never had 3 new civilizations in one DLC pack. Max seems to be 2 civilizations with a similar theme.